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Author Topic:   A discussion of Gun Control for schrafinator
jar
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Message 385 of 409 (131872)
08-09-2004 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 384 by contracycle
08-09-2004 11:45 AM


Re: Misconception about the Constitution and Bill of Rights
Not at all. Smoke and mirrors.
Schraf's point was that the Raven failed the drop test yet there was no evidence presented that the Raven in fact did fail the drop test.
Please don't misquote me. I personally belive that the Jennings/Davis/Lorcin/Bryco clan are bad guys. I would love to see them out of business. But that has nothing to do with gun control.
If you check the California Handgun Roster you will find that the Davis/Lorcin/Jenningings/Phoenix Arms/Bryco guns still listed and that they pass the California drop test.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 396 of 409 (132319)
08-10-2004 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 393 by contracycle
08-10-2004 6:33 AM


Re: Misconception about the Constitution and Bill of Rights
Not true; the point was illustrative of cheap guns with low quality control as a mass consumer product. Even if she was mistaken in the specific context of Raven, that does not militate against the point to which I actually replied: the fact that you are conceding (not least by admitting these are "bad guys") that weapons are being produced by irresponsible producers.
No, the point was that she made a statement about guns failing the drop test but then used a quote that contained nothing about safety to support it. Frankly, you are doing exactly the same thing now even though I informed you thatthe cheap guns made by the Davis clan pass the California Drop test.
Even if the guns failed the drop test, you have not shown any reason that would even be unethical behavior.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 398 of 409 (132327)
08-10-2004 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 397 by contracycle
08-10-2004 10:05 AM


Re: Misconception about the Constitution and Bill of Rights
You are still just ranting as far as I can tell.
I said the people making the cheap guns make guns that pass the safety test.
Now you, like the good old Fundies, change things to attacking the messenger.
If you disagree with a point that I make, then fine, state that you disagree. That's certainly not unusual or even unexpected. In fact, I believe that the whole point of any discussion is taht two people either disagree and so want to express their point of view, or agree and so want to exchange insights on a subject.
But in most cases, befoore you start calling someone dishonest, you at least try to establish a framework for your particular position.
What is unethical about building a gun that fails a drop test?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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