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Author | Topic: A discussion of Gun Control for schrafinator | |||||||||||||||||||
nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: When the seller turns in some kind of paperwork to a law enforcement agency, maybe the ATF or whoever oversees gun dealers, indicating that they performed the criminal background check. This shouldn't be a problem if the seller wants to be sure they are not selling a weapon to a criminal, right?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Little five year old Jimmy is not likely to be able to kill his little sister accidentally with a kitchen knife, hammer, or screwdriver. Someone is not likely to break into their home specifically to steal a kitchen knife, hammer, or screwdriver. Nobody can nearly effortlessly kill anyone else from mere yards away with a kitchen knife, hammer, or screwdriver.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
A reply to 326 and 329 please, xavier.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: But they do have to keep a record of each purchase, and they do have to run a criminal background check. I think private sellers should also have to report when someone buys more than two guns in a seven day period. Why should private sales be exempt from this?
quote: People who are law-abiding and don't want to sell a gun to a criminal would likely be amenable to keeping a record of the sale and to doing a criminal background check if it was required by law. At leat there would be a paper trail if the gun was used in a crime, perhaps telling law enforcement where the perpetrator was at one time. I think that registering guns with their owners, and licensing people to own and operate firearms, just like we register cars with their owners and require a basic knowledge of how to operate a vehicle and the traffic laws, would be a great idea. Then, the registration is transferred to the new owner just like in a private car sale. This message has been edited by schrafinator, 08-06-2004 08:55 PM
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: If it's in the constitution, and you own your guns legally, why should you fear? By the way, why have you suddenly become really quiet on the subject of criminal background checks once I pointed out that they were cheap and easy to do on the internet? This message has been edited by schrafinator, 08-06-2004 09:31 PM
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I don't really like you attempting to be in control of the questions and answers in this thread.
I have said it before, I don't think you are honestly answering my questions, yet you expect me to honestly answer yours. I haven't been coy in my answers, yet you have been quite coy with yours. I have asked you to back up your assertions with facts on a number of occasions and you just kind of glide over them and go on to asking me something we weren't discussing. Why do you disbelieve the FBI when they say that gun shows are a significant source of guns for criminal activity?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: It takes planning and effort to find a tall building one can get to the top of. They can also be seen by other people and possibly stopped or distracted. Carbon monoxide poisoning takes a long time and can be uncomfortable. A gunshot is intantaneous and deadly and doesn't require leaving the house, or even the bed. I would imagine that the "instantaneous" part is attractive to people who don't want to feel any pain.
quote: Possibly. Having a gun in the house makes a suicide more likely to be successful, though. There are certainly other methods, but most other methods are more likely to be survived. That's why guns are so popular. They are very good at killing.
quote: But if they do want to kill themselves and a gun is in the house, they are very likely to use it.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: It wouldn't, but a record of criminal activity woukd potect the seller from selling a gun to a criminal. If criminal background checks for private sales became the law, then a private seller would be held accountable if they sell a gun to someone who is a criminal.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Sorry, I misremenbered FBI. What I should have said is the ATF, the Department of the Treasury, and the Justice Department. Are they equivalent to Hovind to you? Page not found - Game Online Menarik 2020
persons who purchase firearms from private sellers - estimated to be 40 percent of all gun purchasers - are not required to undergo background checks. In addition, private sellers, unlike licensed dealers, are not required to document gun sales in any way. Although this huge gap in federal law is often referred to as the ?gun show" loophole, this term is misleading because federal law does not currently obligate private sellers to conduct background checks at any sales location. Studies have shown that gun shows are particularly problematic, however. In 1999, for example, the Department of the Treasury, Department of Justice and ATF issued a report entitled Gun Shows: Brady Checks and Crime Gun Traces. That report found that gun shows provide a forum for illegal firearms sales and gun trafficking nationwide, and recommended that federal law be amended to require background checks on all gun show purchasers. Do you have a link to the studies cited? I'd like to read them for myself and not take the analysis of a conservative policy analyst at face value.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Making a product that is low in cost because of unsafe and faulty design is bad, and that is what these companies are being allowed to do. The idea is that if US gun manufacturers were required to meet quality and safety standards, just like the manufacturers of teddy bears and swing sets, several very profitable guns wouldn't be quite as popular with the criminals because they would be too expensive.
quote: The easy and wide availability of cheap, easily concealed handguns makes the use of a gun in a crime more likely.
quote: Completely agreed. PS. I haven't been in a walmart in over 10 years. Walmart represents so many of the things that are wrong with America today. Walmart puts entire blocks of privately owned shops out of business in the towns it enters, thus taking money out of the community and filling the corporate coffers elsewhere, it is a major part of the homogenization of American culture, it treats it's workers like shit, it treats it's domestic suppliers like shit, it promotes the exportation of manufacturing jobs overseas, etc. ...but that is for another thread.
quote: Then why has the gun lobby resisted every single effort to do so?
quote: I don't mind if you have a musket. You can have all of the muskets you want.
quote: I'll even let you have a dueling pistol.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: No prob. That happens all the time.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
(covers ears against the bad trumpet sounds)
quote: Well, yes, and please remember that they have to be able to get up to the roof, or be able to get out of a window. Severly depressed people often don't want to get out of bed, let alone go out of the house and look around for a building and sneak onto the roof.
quote: Well, yeah.
quote: I'll agree that it's not all that strong. However, ragarding carbon monoxide poisoning, gund are much more popular a method, and that is just true. Something like 60% of elderly suicides are performed with a gun, probably because it takes the least amount of physical effort.
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