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mark24
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Message 345 of 409 (130859)
08-05-2004 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 341 by xavier999
08-05-2004 12:55 PM


Re: Misconception about the Constitution and Bill of Rights
Xavier,
Riiiiight. If you're going to deny the existance of the Constitution I don't think we'll get very far.
I think the point being that the US constitution pertains to the US, not contracycles country of birth. Fortunately both he/she & I are protected from your constitution in this regard.
My chances of being a victim of gun crime are fractional compared to you folks. Posessing a gun just doesn't seem to act as a deterrent in the good ol' USA. No matter what the hype.
Mark

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mark24
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Message 348 of 409 (130928)
08-06-2004 4:37 AM
Reply to: Message 347 by xavier999
08-06-2004 12:10 AM


Re: Misconception about the Constitution and Bill of Rights
xavier999,
True. I seem to recall the UK having fairly strict laws regarding handguns and thus it follows that you would have less gun violence.
You can own shotguns, & pistols up to .22 calibre. Maybe more, I'm not sure. Certainly no semi-automatics.
Although I accept the reasons for violent crime, even gun crime, are complex. It just seems silly to us outsiders to hear people defend gun ownership in the US when your chances of being murdered are something like ten times greater than anywhere (per capita)in Europe (off the top of my head, remembering a radio prog from a month back).
It is difficult to attribute the disparity to anything other than the gun culture that exists in the US & not Europe. The reasons for the need to bear arms are unconvincing. We manage without them perfectly well in Europe. The crime rates are not elevated because we don't have guns to defend ourselves with, nor do we particularly feel the need to protect ourselves from our governments, we just vote them out if they piss us off. Certainly there's no reason to allow the elevation the murder rate by a factor of ten just in casethere's a coup.
This does NOT only mean from other governments, but from our government itself. Like I said, I do not see the need to overthrow our government any time soon, but things can change.
A few popguns won't protect you from the material might of the US Army. Even if you had the right to bear tanks, it would just get you killed quicksharp.
Mark

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