I want one good reason that being gay is ok

The reason I did not quote all of it is to save some cyber space. If people want to see the origional message, just read rat's post.If this is truly the case, then you would stay the hell out of our way for us to get our rights. Since this is not in the homosexuality and the bible thread, I believe I can say that I don't give a rat's arse what an imaginary being thinks. Christian fundies were the ones that started the "natural" argument. Let me tell you a story. When I was in high school, I attended a debate on this issue. The christian fundies in the school said that you don't find gay animal around, therefore it is unnatural for people to be homosexuals. When I heard this argument for the first time, I bursted out laughing for about 5 minutes. When I came back to my senses, I had to explain to people why I was laughing. Quite frankly, I thought using animal behavior for human moral guidance was just about the most amusing thing I had ever heard.The point is fundies started the unnatural argument, not us. We only pointed out the fact that there are animal gays just to get fundies to realize their mistake, that's all. I have been in this debate for at least 3 years and I haven't heard a single pro gay rights advocate to make the argument. They only use some facts to counter the fundies side. I don't care what you believe or don't believe. There is no way for you to get me to care. All I ask is you stay out of our way. Do us all a favor and go back to sleep. I think you just dreamt up this amazing tale. I have never heard of the argument that gay couples make better parents. Keep dreaming and you are bound to see a million dollars. Here is my one reason for you. What I do in my bedroom has absolutely nothing to do with you. Who I decide to get married has absolutley nothing to do with you. I am not sending out some gay ray that will turn you gay. I have never tried to hit on a straight guy before, and I ask the same courtesy from straight guys.I feel compelled to tell an experience on this. When I was a freshman and sophmore in high school, I was against the act of gay just like you are now. I found out that a friend of mine was gay, so I started distancing myself from him. I started to join the anti-gay crowd until my gay friend got beaten by some of the people I knew. So you see, this is a personal matter for me. I don't care what you believe as long as you keep your mouth shut if you ever want to give a hate speech. Same thing with the law. Why outlawing something that has absolutely nothing to do with you? So, using the bible was only an excuse for your prejudice. What's your point? We have a word to describe someone that have always felt something before finding some excuses for it: prejudice. Aside from using one of the fallacies of logic, you are again using lame excuses. I have 2 friends who have lesbian parents and they are perfectly normal. They love their parents and they are 100% straight. However, I have never used this fact to argue for homosexuality. Why? Using 1 example is not enough to justify anything.

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I've heard this argument a million times. No matter how absurd this argument is, people always use it.Based on this argument, any kind of profession is immoral. If everybody in the world become a doctor, civilization would stop. If everyboy in the world become a catholic priest or nun, we would all die out after a generation. If everybody.... The fact of the matter is not everyone is a priest, doctor, or homosexual. So, please stop using this argument.I feel embarrassed for you, because you just showed that you have not the logic to think this through properly.

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I thought something was funny looking about that post. I could have sworn you knew more than that (no, that's not sarcasm, that's a compliment).

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To all:This is a reminder that if you all flood the rat with 10 posts per hour, the rat will not have time to respond to each post to the best of his ability. You all know that I am passionate about this subject and yet I've only posted 2 messages regarding this subject.Give the rat some time to breathe if you want more quality in his responses. Right now, it looks like he is giving single sentence responses to try to keep up with all 10 of you.Slow down!Lam

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The difference between you and me (about being a bigot) is that I admit it and you don't.

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One time, in a debate at my school, it somehow came out that I was going to church every sunday even though I was an atheist. By the way, the reason the attention on me was because I was president of the student philosophy club back then. Anyhow, they asked me what was my point for going to church at all even though I was an atheist, and I told them that my parents made me promise because my parents knew I keep my promises no matter what.The christian fundies that were there were so surprised. They were like, "you keep your promises??"Unfortunately, I have to go to church every sunday until I'm 30 . That was the promise.

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I've been somewhat emotionally unstable lately. For some reason, I'm not taking such ignorant bigotry as well as before. Must be all the work i've been doing with putting in wooden floor and painting walls for people. Have you checked out valid statistics first before making such a claim? Please go here. It is a pdf file. It's a gov report on sex crimes on young children.Pay close attention to the end of page 3 and page 4.Let me quote from it.Females were more than six times more likely as males to be victims of sexual assaults known to law enforement agencies.Here is a snapshot of a graph detailing the stats on sexual assault victims by gender. Here is a snapshot of a graph on female proportions in all sexual assault victims. Please check out proper statistics next time before making such a claim. Could you please name one "special" right that us homosexuals want that isn't already a given for heteros? What's your point? Again, this is not true. Homosexual behavior in animal are observed in the wild just as much as in the zoos. However, I've never used the "unnatural" argument and I kindly ask that others don't go there as well. Human moralities are not suppose to be based on animal behavior, wouldn't you agree?

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There you go, that's one of the problems with this kind of argument. There's always an unknown factor to consider. The fact is we don't really know for sure what percentage of the population is gay.In the above post, I only wanted to refute the claim that there are more boy victims than girls.The sad but true fact is we as a country have gotten so used to sex crimes involving girls that the media have ignored most of such crimes. The ones involving little boys tend to make the headlines a lot easier. That's why people like Buz and skeptic think that boys are the only victims.

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I actually agree with Dan on this one. People have the right to call me whatever they want, as long as it doesn't become slander.

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Very well. I'll try to look for some stats on that. I doubt that there's any, since we don't really know how many gay men there are.

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Just a darn minute. According to logic, the burden of proof always falls on the side that claims the positive. In this case, buz and skeptic are the ones that have to prove that gay men are more likely to be pedophiles. Why the hell am I trying to do all the work for them?It's like me losing my hair trying to prove that there's no such thing as a green goblin after buz and skeptic claimed that there are green goblins running around.Hey buz and skeptic, could you provide some kind of evidence to back up your claim?

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No, statistics don't lie. However, the people that interpret the stats sometimes do.This brings me back to my earlier question. So far, I'm the only one that has provided at least some shreds of evidence for my claims.Without any evidence whatsoever, how can buz, skeptic, and yourself support your claim that homosexuality = pedophilia?

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Hey Glordag, are you 10 years old?

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I don't really care about it for now. I'll let other people, especially idiots like SkepticToAll (I am only exercising my right just like skeptic), decide on this one.

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Hahahaha! I live like a pig. By the end of the last semester, my dorm didn't have a single horizontal surface. My prince charming better be nice and neat!

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