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simple  Inactive Member |
OK Ned, I seem to have an uncanny knack at finding your sore spots. Something tells me there is a weakness here somewhere, but we'll let you off the hook for now.
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
It is a common debating tactic to attempt to switch topics when you are in trouble with the current one.
You seem to have an ongoing problem with sticking to the topic at hand. I'll continue to remind you and others if it starts to happen. If you sense a weakness, you may propose a new thread to discuss off topic items that arise here.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
How did man and woman (says evo) come to be appearing together-at the same time? I assume you'd have to say the both evolved at the same time. Of course not! They're two different, unrelated species, Arkathon! Seriously, A, have you not even learned this much in hanging around here? Do you really argue against a concept that you have at best a kindergarten concept of? Or are you just yanking our chains?
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Who said God would slam the water on to the planet? Who said there would have been much if any of a temperature difference? (He could cool or heat it as needed, with cosmic forces He controled.What if forces were at work that cahanged the earth's gravitational field? (even briefly, you know the magnetic field can be reversed and affected) So it is not a case of "dropping the ball, but more one of executing a beautiful syncronised feather landing. In a nutshell, you assume God was not in the picture actively, and omit potential forces that are not now in play, and rest utterly on theories such as tectonics, that omit the flood as well. As has been said many times before: 1. If you want to invoke miracles, admit that you aren't talking about science, stop discussing this in a science forum and go discuss it in a faith based forum. 2. Science does not consider hypotheses for which there is no evidence, which have no explanatory power, and which are more complex than hypotheses which adequately explain the existing evidence.
Measurements of how it is, not was or will be. Come up with somne evidence that indicates it was or will be different. Until then, give it up.
Yes so you say. But are not the 'calculations based on what we don't really fully know about the earth's guts, except in theory? No. They are based on well-established properties of materials, physics, and measurements.
Does not the 'calculations' ignore any potential flood time effects that could drastically change the formula? Yes, becase we always ignore hypotheses for which there is no evidence, which have no explanatory power, and which are more complex than hypotheses which adequately explain the existing evidence.
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Does grass live only at high elevations? Did grass run faster than dinosaurs? Where do rabbits live?
Speaking of grass, is it a possibility at all, that grass pre flood did not use pollen as a reproduction method? Science does not consider hypotheses for which there is no evidence, which have no explanatory power, and which are more complex than hypotheses which adequately explain the existing evidence.
The post here was to use creation science sources to show there is doubt that there are no exceptions to the fossil record That's what you've tried to change it to. The original "post" was fro you to explain the order of the fossil record and why grass pollen is found only in the very top portion. Answer the questiions: Does grass live only at high elevations? Did grass run faster than dinosaurs? Where do rabbits live?
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JonF Member (Idle past 199 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
Then you will have to explain to us why we find marine mammals with marine fish and shellfish, etc. in the same environment today but not in the past...
Do you find many fossilized? Yes. Answer the question. Why would we find marine mammals with marine fish and shellfish, etc. in the same environment today but not in the past?
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edge Member (Idle past 1737 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
quote: Okay, then why did you ask?
quote: Your failure to answer my question is noted. To answer yours: I don't know specifics of this case, but I know that other biomes overlap in the fossil record.
quote: This was simply a rhetorical question. Can you back up any of your statements?
quote: Another question avoided. You were talking about God's actions sending out 'vibes'. I thought perhaps you had some evidence for this. Or is this just another 'funny little thought of yours?'
quote: But science requires evidence...
quote: No. What is your evidence (or reasoning) that instincts did not evolve, since it is so clear, that is?
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
I had a funny little thought. If the vibes were going out through the world that the creator had to destoy dry land life (and a good portion of the sea life that got caught in it's phases, mudslides, etc) maybe instinct kicked in, and creatures had an urge to be together!!!! This would tend to give us a pettern of these creatures buried together, no? Instinct is a wonderful and powerful thing! Creatures come equipped with amazing complicated programs that kick in as needed. An urge to be together? Together with what? The same species as themselves? You have this "funny little thought" that has no evidence and isn't explained in any detail. Could you supply some more detail on what this fantasy is about and how it answers the fossil sorting question? There isn't a clue that it does so far. Plants have an instinct to be together???
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
and world covering layers is not "together"
heh. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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simple  Inactive Member |
Sorry, if you insist on trying to swich the topicc to woman, Ned & I will stop playing mr nice guy wit yu.
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pink sasquatch Member (Idle past 6053 days) Posts: 1567 Joined: |
Hey Arkathon,
I just read through this thread, and was unable to put my finger on any evidence you've given. I read the links you posted, and unfortunately they provide no citations to any sort of scientific evidence, and so they are merely their own assertions. Perhaps you would provide a bulleted list of the points you've made, and your evidence for each. It would greatly help your argument. (NosyNed made a similar request last night...) (Also, if you think that the evolution of the male/female sexual system is impossible, I do hope you will start a separate thread so we can discuss that point.) Thanks.
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote:As I say now, and may say again, if you try to omit miracles from everything, you will limit your understanding of science! Miracles are very scientific. It's just that our science is still quite backward to grasp how God's science does these things. When it comes to creation and the flood it is utterly impossible to even discuss it seriously if you leave out miracles! How could God create everything in a week, if not for a plain bunch of (to us now at least) miracles? How could He end human life on the whole planet, in such a way as to make it possible for life to bloom again if not for a miracle? How could He even tell Noah how to build the ark witout a miracle? How could He even Personally close the door to the ark without what we consider a miracle??!! No, He is part of true science, actually a fantasticlly big part. There is no escaping this. Someone sold you a phoney bill of goods to get you to think otherwise! Creation/evolution debate really is nothing in the world but God's miracles, like creation, against such miracles as granny bacteria basically mothering all life, and the cosmic cup o soup emitting all things out of itself!!! The only difference in God's good world is that the faithful evolutionists scream darn murder if you point this out, deny it, cry foul, and insist that only the other side's miracles don't count! So- take your rock is old because a fossil is in it baloney to a faith based forum, really. quote:Prove that things will always be the same and always will, or give up and surrender unconditionally now please. quote:Godless evo miracles are not adequate for all, and trying to claim a monopoly on science for your religion is no longer acceptable.
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote:Do you find many fossilized marine mammals with shellfish and together with fish that are positively from very very recently? I somehow think the answer will be very few if any, and there may be some doubt about their age? It would seem, at least from the fraction of a percent of the world we so far got to, that there were flood forces at work that tended to have the creatures buried together. Instinct to be together, habitats quick buried in catastrophe, and a thousand other things, none of which flood rejectors would much care for, no doubt.
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote:And the only specific almost here, which I had to raise myself, Ned more or less conceeded (mass marine fossil layers in Rockies) And I see nothing from the other side much, really at all, except for aloofness, disdain, papal edicts, sweeping praise for all the very smart evos, and the common tie that binds, a not so veiled hatred for creation, and faith, and flood, and the spirit. But that's OK I know exactlt where most are coming from on this. There was the Bill guy Ned mentioned, but his specialty seemed to be that study I looked up, where they use fossils to claim age for rocks.
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 508 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
Guys, just a thought. If you want arkie to stop dodging your questions, you should elect a representative/spokesman to speak for all of you. That way, there is no excuse to not answer every question. You guys are flooding arkie with more facts and questions than he can handle. This is what gives him the advantage. He can pick and choose which question he wants to answer and which ones to ignore.
You guys decide among yourselves the one or 2 persons that you want to talk to arkie on this. This way, you can force him to answer every single question without much room to dodge or to change the subject. The Laminator
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