Gay marraige and the end of the world

I hear what you're saying, still some form of "my bad" would be nice. It was in Sweden. I came across it when Faith and randman seperately claimed that it had happened here.

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precisely. i really do not think that he's trying to espouse a prejudiced or hateful view. that reminds me, i should answer his last post soon.

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-philia is "love of" more or less. he insists that it was partly pre-christianity, but in general it's a largely christian phenomenon. i'm not going to debate the point here, really, because i'm already occupied in a great debate with him which partly covers this precise topic -- i'm just agreeing with the idea that we shouldn't jump on him for it. lol. it's a style preference. and laziness. i used to think i was capitalizing when i wrote papers for school and whatnot. turns out i was only doing it about half the time, and the my word processor does it automatically.old habits die hard.

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Hopefully they would have already tried to give back tot he earth and multiply.Who was it in the bible that had a baby at 90? lol Maybe.
Does natural selection include ways of thinking? Look, the main difference between gays and straights is that no matter how hard you try, a man cannot get another man pregnant, that has to mean something. Thats the thing that makes me think the way I do.To me, a family is all about trying to make one, having one, and then caring for one. There is something special about a child that lives in a happy home, that has his/her natural mother and father.This may or may not be fantasy land I'm talking about, and statistics will say that this is not the norm, but it should be the goal, and it should represent who and what we are as a race of beings.It represents how we survie, how you came to be, and how we will continue to live on.It's not a choice, like a sexual preference. Its the way to continue life. Doesn't life mean anything anymore? Do we not respect life, and our ability to multiply?Are we going to rely on technology to govern our core base of thinking? All this technology could be gone in a heart beat, and then we will be standing with our thumbs up our asses, or a penis if your gay (j/k, lighten up ) and then our natural instincts would kick in. What are our natural insincts? Do they not account for anything? That sucks, really.I can relate a little, I was a country boy at heart growing up in NYC. I hated the city, I felt like I didn't fit in. There was a bit of anger involved. I am not, I pointed that out, buy saying of course I know it's not all gays.One thing you should know about me. I know I am not perfect, but what I strive for in my life, is to not pre-judge anyone. 100 Italilans could rip me off in my business, and the 101st one, I would not treat any differently than anyone else, he would recieve a fair chance.That is what believing in God is all about. Forgivness.
How can I expect to be forgiven, unless I forgive?Does that mean I shoul accept gay marraige? Or just accept gays?One would argue that if I do not accept gay marraige, then I do not accept gays, but I have outlined why I feel the way I do in this post pretty clearly, and it is not some predjudice, bigotted, religious reasnoning. It is just who and what we are. How we survive from one generation to the next. There is reasonable doubt, but I can only speak for myself. Many other supposedly bible experts would say that God does consider the act of being gay a sin. That doesn't make you any better or worse than any other sinner. But it doesn't allow us to say its ok to sin either. Faith and fellowship should be one of positive support, and striving towards being Holy, and then forgiving when we screw up.If Christians made being ok acceptable, then we might as all be smoking pot on Sunday morning, and then saying its ok, then expect Gods blessings in our lives.Thats the thinking behind that.But what I was really saying from that statement from which you responded to was that people have a right to believe whatever it is they want to believe, and you cannot say that someone is wrong for doing it, just because his/her thoughts come from science, or religion, or whatever. Thats freedom in my mind. I do not agree with that. We need to as a people try to figure out what works for us as a people, and what doesn't.By your way of thinking we should make all drugs legal, and raise the speed limit to infinity. Any other thing that could be consider moral, then the government should take its nose out of it.I don't even see the point of me not thinking gay marriage as a marriage, as being a moral decisions anyway. I just don't think its a marriage, just like I don't think that vanilla tastes like chocolate.It goes back to what I was saying about reproduction before. It just ain't. I don't have a problem with that. I also think that it is an entirely different issue. One does not choose to be black. I do not apprciate the comparason, and I bet that many black people wouldn't like it either. hehe, your funny. you said that, then you said this: Then you go one to say that gay marraige should be allowed.I'm confused.
And remember, I don't really think it is a moral issue with me.
It's not about what is right and wrong, it's about what is, and isn't. Your right, I shouldn't have said that. But all I was pointing out was that maybe some more people might accept it better if there was some sort of change in behavior. Again, this is not meaning all gay people. Wait a second there.Your either gay, or your not. Don't tell me he is bi-sexual, because if he was, he would have found a woman for himself that he could love for the rest of his life, and a woman who would accept him as bi-sexual.He made a big mistake doing what he did.I like nascar racing, and growing up in NYC most people didn't understand it. They did not like it, and most Northerners will despise anything that the rest of the country is into.So what do I do? Stop watching nascar, or remove the bumber stickers from my car?Hell no, I like nascar, and I will do what pleases me, regardless of what the society around me thinks is right. They can all kiss my ass.I would even go out with girls of different nationality. I don't give a crap what courty your from, if your hot, then your hot, I would try to find the girl of my dreams no matter what people around me thought.They can again, all kiss my ass. Who's going to holding my hand when I am grey an old? Society? or my wife? In my line of thinking, it is more than just love. It's the continuation of a race of humans. You can't make that a small issue.I am being fair.

And you haven't really read my posts, otherwise you wouldn't have said that.Please take some time to read all my thoughts in this thread, and the other in the great debate, then if you have something constructive to teach me, then I am all ears buddy.

I am 40 years old. When I was a kid, there was gay bashing in NYC.It is not like that anymore. There is not much Christian bashing unless you are in a gay arena. There are many Christians in NYC. My wife still works there, and there are many great churches there.I didn't move too far away from the city.

You are another person that just does not understand where I am coming from. You are choosing to take out all your agressions on me for no good reason. Fine, be that way if it makes you happy.The thing in Cananda did happen, and they tried to make it a law, did you read tha article? I do not have to say my bad.Also if you read my OP, you aould understand that I am actually sticking up for gays, and putting down conservatives, but I guess you can't see that through all your prejudice, can you?I think an apology is in order, otherwise we can just consider you prejudice from here on out.The way you talk to me, I will learn nothing.

Oh brother, very constructive.
I have read yours, have you read mine? ok. Stop right there. I do not feel like I am on moral high ground. I have expressed over and over that I may be wrong, and that I consider myself equal with everyone else on this earth. retract that statement please. Really? even if it goes against your own? Can you and I start a new political party called the anti-party?
I am serious. Please re-read my thoughts on this. I do not think it is wrong, I think we are all wrong. It's not about whats good for us or not. It is about what is, and isn't.

That's a pretty silly comparison. How many people have been murdered for enjoying NASCAR, or any sport?

I hate hypocrites, and I hate prejudice. If I have a hidden predjudice, I want it out and gone. I want to be free. I feel freedom in the forgiveness that the Lord has given me, and his grace. But in order to be forgiven, I must forgive, so I must get rid of my predjudice. http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/documents/S126945.PDF

hahaha, your joking right?Page not found - Astrology BayThink about what you say, before you say it.I have been in many fights for being who I am, so I can relate.
I have been put down for my hobbies and what I enjoy in life, because people where I live could not relate to it.

Interesting case, but doesn't answer who was the father before the divorce, which is what my question was about - obviously if there is no father before then there is no father after and not having one is not a big surprise eh?The other thing I note about this case is that it is very much just the kind of twisted legal limbo biology biased anachronistic stuff as I noted that the laws are full of ("especially when dealing with child care issues") when based on the "traditional" marriage concept, and why "marriage" should be removed from laws altogether and left as a social custom.I understand where you are coming from, and just note that I am inclined in this direction too, but for a different reason. It may also easily end up weakening the "institution" in the end.joke: massachusetts legalized gay marriage so that their divorce rate will increase to match the rest of the nation ....Enjoy.

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Now i understand that you have nothing against homosexuality per se, but from the above statements i take it that you believe homosexuality to be a choice.
While this seems to be what the majority thinks, enough research has gone into homosexuality to know that it is, in fact, not a choice. Pubmed LinkRegarding your reasoning as to why gay marriage should not be allowed. i take it you feel it could lead to the end of the human race I don't see how you reach this conclusion. If by allowing gay marriage, will heterosexuals suddenly stop reproducing?One more point, and you might not agree with me here:
The perpetuation of the species is not a result of marriage, it is the result of sex. Marriage or no marriage, people will continue to have sex.No matter how you put it, marriage is not necessary for the perpetuity of humanity. It is a cultural concept, religious or not.So the only place from whence one can argue against gay marriage, is from a religious viewpoint. But you're not doing that...

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So intimate that your hand upon my chest is my hand,
so intimate that when I fall asleep it is your eyes that close.
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just like gay liberals who want to abolish religion from our culture, and read the constitution wrong.

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Who are these "gay liberals" who "want to abolish religion from our culture"?Also, how have they read the constitution incorrectly?

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So I get this customer, a gay couple. They call me up and tell me to come over so I can get paid, and lo and behold they are having some kind of gay party with like 30 men in speedos, listening to 70's disco, doing drugs, and hanging all over each other. And here I thought they were a nice couple, just to themselves, having respect for straight people who may possibly get offended by there sexual preference less than 1 mile from my house.

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WHAT??!!There was gay sex going on less than ONE MILE FROM YOUR HOUSE??!!