If you didn't feel that there was something wrong with gays then you wouldn't oppose our right to marry nor would you worry whether your children are exposed to us.
I don't know how to put this into words. I do not feel something is wrong with you, or any gay person. You have a desire, and you want to fulfill it. Fine. But the word marraige, is another story. No matter what anyone says, it takes a sperm, and an egg to make a fetus. "It is that natural process, whether evolved or designed that is my base for thinking that only a man, and a woman together for life makes up the word marraige. Especially if we evolved.
I know what your going to say, and that is that there is many sterile people who cannot have babies. But 2 things, many so called sterile people have had babies in their faithfulness to God, #2 if sterile people cannot reproduce, isn't there some kind of natural selection going on there, that we are interfering with?
I am all for civil union, or whatever name you want to give it. But there is a clear difference between the two.
Tell me, if 2 woman get divorced, and they had adopted a child together, who is the father?
I can understand that. But I see you making a mistake here in equating what you see in "those areas" with homosexuality in general
Which brings me to the next part of that story, and that is, I decided to leave the city, and move to the country, to be free from all that flaming gay crap, crime, being a terrorist target ( I knew that 30 years ago), and just to get some elbow room, and breath fresh air.
So I get this customer, a gay couple. They call me up and tell me to come over so I can get paid, and lo and behold they are having some kind of gay party with like 30 men in speedos, listening to 70's disco, doing drugs, and hanging all over each other. And here I thought they were a nice couple, just to themselves, having respect for straight people who may possibly get offended by there sexual preference less than 1 mile from my house.
WE also had 2 other gay couples in our current neighborhood. One was 2 older gentlemen, who kept so to themselves, you never heard from them, which was scary, and then 2 woman who seemed to be so angry at the world, that they could not function even in the simplest of association meetings.
There was no exuse for that. Most everyone that lives here was either from the city, or still lives there and comes here on weekends. Most people from NYC are tolerrant of gay people, we grew up with it. There is no "gay bashing " going on here.
There was one other couple, who seemed to function normally here, one was a doctor, and the other a decorator or something.
I did work for all these couples, so I had more than just a passer-by knowledge of them.
So I do not believe that the behavior I saw in the city, is \limited to the city, and as it becomes more widely accepted, it will continue to grow.
Of course I realize, that it is not all gay people, as I pointed out.
I also realize that the straight equivalant to that, strip clubs, red light districts, is not good either. It is also becoming less torlerable, and a lot of strip clubs are being shut-down.
And I have to say, the bible might just be right. I've read those passages, and it sounds to me like the references are to prostitution, not just gay sex. Temple prostitution was a problem in Paul's day, you know. So maybe the bible was right to condemn it, but maybe you're wrong to misread it as applying to all gay sex.
Not sure, but my beliefs were not religious driven. But even if they were, I don't think that you can sit there and say that what you believe to be right, is any more right than what "religious" or "God fearing people" believe to be right.
It's a moral issue, and everyone has a right to think what they think.
Even if they are wrong about it. You can't tell someone that it's their religous views that they are forcing on you, because it really just doesn't matter where they get their views from in the first place.
Where do you get your morals from? Science? TV? Your gay partner? life? What makes your morals more correct than anyone elses?
Change takes time, and over that course of time, you must prove yourself to be worthy of that change. You can't change the past, you can only change the future, and name calling from both sides, will not accomplish anything.
Just loook at what it did to the relationship between me and you. I was saying from the very begining that my views were not based on religious one (not that it should matter) but I was labeled a fundie, and all that.
MY views about gays developed over a long period of time. At one point in my teenage years, I was all for gays and their rights. I would stick up for them when my freinds would put them down. Thats the way I was raised.
IT was my observance, and close relationship to many gay people that led me to this decision, not some scripture.
REading the scripture only reinforced what I had already felt. for whatever thats worth. Actually it means nothing, sonce there are probably scriptures that I do not agree with in the NT, never mind the OT. That is why I say I do not completely know if it is a sin or not. I wish Jesus would come right now, and let me know, really. I have been wrong before about things, and I will be wrong many more times in my life before I die.
Again, the logic applies just as well to miscegenation. If such marriages were equal to traditional marriages, they wouldn't involve people of different races.
I don't think that people of different races is the problem. I see the whole world as one human race. So I don't believe in different races. I see the problem of different upbringings. I know I am in one of those situations. I am white male, and my wife is hispanic, and there are cultural differences that can create problems in our relationship.
That poor woman he married may yet have no idea what her husband does when she's not looking, but one day he's going to get caught and she and the kids are going to suffer needlessly.
I don't think its right that you blame this on society, what will happen to that poor woman. What will happen to that poor woman is 100% the fault of your friend.
His unhappyness is the fault of soceity, or his ability to cop with it.
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