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Author Topic:   Gay marraige and the end of the world
nwr
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Message 24 of 195 (277820)
01-10-2006 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by arachnophilia
01-10-2006 2:13 PM


Re: Don't play gang up on riverrat now.
riverrat is dealing with a very common bias, partly religious partly cultural, partly who-knows. i don't think he hates gay people, he mentioned having gay friends.
Let's give him credit that he is dealing with it, and not just sweeping it under the rug.
i'm trying to convince him of a more "tolerant" position based on the teachings of christ. it might work, too.
Yes it might work. I suspect that he opened this thread to help him come to a better way of looking at the issue.

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nwr
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Message 195 of 195 (283876)
02-04-2006 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 168 by riVeRraT
01-26-2006 8:23 AM


Message 168 sums it up.
The only logical reason I can come up with for being against gay marriage, and to think that being gay is in some sort of way wrong, is that, we all are born of a mother and a father.
I don't think that's a good argument. Being gay appears to be quite natural (part of nature). It occurs in all human societies, AFAIK. It is said to occur in other species too.
Being born gay is not a proven thing yet. This would greatly affect how I feel about this.
My opinion is that people are born neither gay nor straight. They are born with complex psychological drives, and must discover for themselves ways to channel these drives.
Maybe some people are genetically predisposed toward being more likely to satisfy their drives in a homosexual manner, while others are more likely to satisfy them in a heterosexual manner. Or maybe it is all dependent on our experiences and our early encounters with other people.
People have asked me, did I choose to be straight. I say yes. Because I was raised to think that being gay is ok.
Did you choose to speak English? I suspect that you were raised to think that having other native languages was okay, yet your native language is English. Does that mean it was a choice?
IMO native language is not a choice. We are compelled by circumstances. Yet our native language is not genetic. So it seems possible to me, that gay/straight is not a choice but is compelled by circumstances, even though it is probably not genetic.
Now from a religous stand point, there is no way you could ever say that Jesus thinks its ok. Even though people have tried in here, I will never be convinced that Jesus thinks its ok. It's one man, one woman. (riVeRraT then quotes from Matthew 19:4-6)
Jesus wasn't even talking about homosexuality there. He was talking about divorce.
Can you explain why some Christians take divorce in their stride, and many even seek divorce themselves. Yet they are completely hostile to homosexuals. To me, this seems like a serious inconsistency.

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