Are there any "problems" with the ToE that are generally not addressed?

you answered your own question. the most straight-forward is that, yes, there ARE problems with evolution. there are problems with any scientific theory. evolution does not work exactly like darwin original theorized, and we've since discovered new mechanisms outside the original idea of slow successive heritable changes.but that's hardly the same as saying "oop, a problem! let's throw it out and try something completely unfounded." theories change, get revised and modified, as new evidence is found, in the attempt to make the theory as accurate as possible.and certainly the problems creationists bring up -- well, they're just hogwash.

you're reading it wrong. what's "few and rare" mean? well, let suppose few and rare means .001% of everything that every lived. that would mean that of the human being alive today, we'd have more that 60 thousand examples. of every homo sapien that ever lived, we'd probably have a few million examples.now, we don't have that many, and that's few and rare! "few and rare" does not mean "damned close to nothing."now, in reality, we may only have a few thousand examples of anything remotely human. [edit] fossils of non-modern non-homo-sapiens, i mean[/edit] sometimes only one partial example of each species, but often a dozen or more fossils. sometimes, whole burial sites.the fact that there are only a "few" fossils does not mean they just made stuff up, it means we're not inundated with them.as for israelite in sinai or egypt, unless they're the hyksos, we have next to nothing to show they were there. a few words of egyptian origin in the language (proves nothing) and a hebrew letter or two carved in stone somewhere. i can show you a skull of an austrolpithicus, can you show me the skull of an israelite in egpyt?This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 09-23-2004 08:33 PM

please explain how it's a lack of integrity to think that something we have thousands of examples of did in fact exist, but that something we have not one piece of evidence for might not have happened.it's not a "sweetheart pass;" i explained what the quotes meant. we are not creating stories out of thin air, but every textual evidence suggests that's what the four distinct authorities who wrote the torah did. we have lots of evidence for transitional human forms, and none for hebrews in egypt/sinai.like i said, here is the skull of a human ancestor: now please reply with an example of a hebrew artifact found in egypt or sinai. we'll take turns. i post a fossil or artifact, you post a fossil or artifact. whoever fails to post one loses.

i know it's off topic, but what the hell are they talking about, and where is the thread it should be in?[edit]oh god, never mind, found itThis message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 09-23-2004 11:27 PM

also, feel free to address this post by rei: http://EvC Forum: Are there any "problems" with the ToE that are generally not addressed? -->EvC Forum: Are there any "problems" with the ToE that are generally not addressed?especially the quote part, regarding your claims of me having no integrity.

um, no. that was refuted, both with a link explaining the misquote itself, and with the fact that we have 500 individual neanderthal skeletons alone. where is this paucity?and where is the picture of an israelite artifact from egpyt? by creationists.the fact is that it's evidence of something. it shows features of both apes and man, in a single fossil.now, where is any such evidence of a hebrew in egypt? i'm not saying this to be a smart-ass: i really would like to see some evidence. that's neither common, nor sense. there are a multitude of dating techniques. which one are you arguing? you would do well to actually study the bible. i am. biblical evidence suggests that the five books of torah (and probably joshua, i forget) were written by at least four distinct authors/camps, some of them much later than the other. passages that call god "eloyhim" call read certain ways, and passages that call god "yhvh" all read a certain way. and those are different from the genealogies, and formal record keeping, and that's different from deutoronomy. when you read it like this, it explains lots of inconsistencies.so, here's a test on your personal knowledge of "biblical evidence." does genesis say that animals were created before or after man? i thought this argument was thoroughly disproven in another thread? everyone's known for years that great pyramid has lots of special properties -- the people who designed it were quite intelligent. there's evidence in the great pyramid that they had a good working value for pi, for instance. and its corners are arranged in the four cardinal directions. and the layout on the giza platuea duplicates part of the constellation orion pretty well. so what? hi. i just posted a picture of some evidence. i said nothing about age, mind you. here's a homo ergaster. see for yourself: who's knocking "voluminous irrefutable physical see for yourself evidence" now? i'm sorry that no one in their sane mind considers numerology to be good evidence. i've posted two skulls so far.shall i keep going? can i expect to see any evidence of hebrew people in egypt? hah! HAHAHAHHAHA!!!!! oh dear i think i've fallen out of my chair.what was your argument again? that there's not enough evidence for hominid evolution to show it happened, but that's inconsistent with the treatment of the ABSENCE of evidence for israelites in egypt? and then you go and say the only evidence you need is the bible? you don't see how that's a probelm at all? i'm a christian. call me an idolater again, and i'll turn it right around you.and no, the authors of the bible were not honest. in fact, much of the bible seems to be written with political agendas in mind. these be your gods.the first commandment says that you will have no other gods besides or more important than the lord, yhvh. it also says that nothing in the image of god may be worshipped, including human beings.jesus christ was part human, made in the image of god. christ-worship is idolatry.and my avatar, btw, is human vertebrae.This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 09-25-2004 04:43 PM

i believe in god.i believe in evolution.your argument is just simply wrong.

you have not studied the bible. and answer my question for christ's sakes.according to genesis, which came first, animals or men? an athiest creationist? how does that work? do you believe space aliens made us? and you believe in the bible, but not god? hm. yet you have not made one show of asserted evidence for hebrews in egpyt. not one! there's nothing even being claimed as evidence! why is that? actually, no, they can't. hoaxes get weeded out pretty quickly, too. you're knocking a whole school of studies without so much as taking the time to understand it. people aren't just finding bits of rock and gluing them together, it's an actual science.if you found 923 pieces of a 1000 piece puzzle on the floor, is it valid to glue them together to see what the puzzle was a picture of it? is it valid to make up the other 77 pieces from the available information, given the trend the rest of the image of the puzzle is showing? where are the admins on this one?you said christians know that evolution can't be true. i udnerstand both better than you ever will, and i see no problems. lots of this board's "evo" side are christians. your argument is wrong.and the nazi's weren't in favor of evolution. they believed they came from space aliens. do your reading. but that was a nice try at a personal attack. if you knew anything about "social darwinism" you'd know that it pre-dates darwin. but i am a christian. you're asking me to deny my god to gain a little respect with you? nice try.

you missed a post: http://EvC Forum: Are there any "problems" with the ToE that are generally not addressed? -->EvC Forum: Are there any "problems" with the ToE that are generally not addressed?here's the link of importance: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/patterson.html see the above links. we have 500 examples of individual neanderthals. is that a few?

you don't read, do you?you said no one had mentioned anything, and re-post the link to the post which firmly refutes your point, and gives context to the misquote you're basing the whole argument on. where's the problem? i explained what the quotes meant by "few." like rei said, of neanderthals ALONE we have fossils from 500 individuals. that's a quantitative fact. is that's a few?if an "evo" says there's only a few, as in two or three, when there are 500, he's wrong. here's a homo habilis. so far, the score is three to zero. where are your picturs of ancient hebrew artifacts or skeletons from egypt?in exodus 32:28, the israelites kill about 3000 of their own people (aftert the golden calf incident). sure you could find ONE of them? actually, it addresses one of them at length. good, now show me a dead hebrew in egypt.

i'm christian, not hindu.my dismissal of the bible as evidence comes from the following facts:
1. i've read the bible, and understand it as a piece of literature.
2. i'm into archaeology, paleontology, and geology
3. i've studied the history of the bible.but if we're gonna use the bible as evidence for itself, let's get a couple of things straight. first, my unanswered question:according to genesis, which came first: people or animals? i've posted three so far. here's an australopithecus africanus. let me know when you become ad-nauseated. you're quotes are out of context, and poorly understood. link have been posted showing how they are not air tight. asserting that you're right does not make your point valid. the score is 4 to nothing. feel free to post one. you were the one that claimed the evidence was paucitous. i'm posting evidence. now your claim is that we don't need evidence in favor for a book shown to have flaws and not accurately represent history? who's giving the sweetheard pass now? i have evidence for hominid evolution. where's your evidence for hebrews in egypt?but ok. i'll give you a break. instead of showing me bones or artifacts, show me a book that says the hebrews were in egypt, other than the bible. preferably an egyptian one. it's called outside verification. you won't give me my toys, give me another book. one isn't good enough. no, i don't. i think yhwh to be god, and the ONLY one at that.get this through your skull: i am a christian. calling me a heathen and saying i worship false gods only makes you look stupid. i worship the same god you do. if you can't deal with that, that's not my problem.no, archaeology isn't a "full proof" science. nothing is. but SOME evidence would be nice. i sure didn't. it's a found link. you're the one saying it's missing. i'm willing to be proven wrong. show me evidence backing the exodus. documentation?here's habilis on the left, sapiens (cromagnon) on the right. look at the size of the brain-case in comparison to facial features, and the pronouncement of eye-brow ridges. this look fully human to you? that's real good proof. and besides, even if the isotopes are wrong, which they are not, they're still in an order geologically that seems to be in favor of evolution. you forgot one: repeating yourself doesn't make you right. jesus even said so. your points have been refuted, yet you don't answer the refutations, or the questions we ask, and keep posting the same misquotes. do you really no read our posts? you certainly don't answer our questions.i'll be happy if you tell me whether animals cam before or after people.