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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Gary writes: Is there any validity to the idea that there are specific problems with evolution? http://www.megabaud.fi/~lampola/english/17evidences.html#3 "And so it goes with the fossil that many textbooks set forth as the best example of a transitional form. No true intermediate fossils have been found. In a letter to Luther Sunderland, dated April 10, 1979, Dr. Colin Patterson, of the British Museum of Natural History, wrote: "...I fully agree with your comments on the lack of direct illustration of evolutionary transitions in my book. If I knew of any, fossil or living, I would certainly have included them. You suggest that an artist should be used to visualise such transformations, but where would he get the information from? I could not, honestly, provide it, and if I were to leave it to artistic licence, would that not mislead the reader?" Just think of it! Here is a man sitting amidst one of the greatest fossil collections ever and he knows of absolutely NO transitional fossils. So convincing I believe this quote to be that it will sum up this discussion on fossil evidence." http://www.jqjacobs.net/anthro/paleo/scavenging.html "Fossils, though few and rare, are by for the most important evidence we have of hominid evolution." Though few and rare yet we are bombarded with the assertions that man evolved from an ape or whatever. Could this paucity also reflect the limitations of archaeology ? If true, then when archaeology fails to support the Bible could the Bible still be true ? Evos scream about a lack of evidence of Israel in the Sinai but the paucity of transitional hominid fossils is given a sweetheart exemption. This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 09-23-2004 08:10 PM
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
You took my bait and confirmed the fact that you have no integrity.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
I proved the GP was designed by God and when this was ascertained you led the chorus of instantly asserting that ALL my sourceS were engaged in conspiracy/fraud.
You found a safe place in ONE tiny claim but the whole of the remainder decimated your worldview. I proved the existence of God. I am probably the only person in the history of the Internet to incorporate all the evidence and their correct explanations in proving the existence of God. I have another topic all ready but whats the use if you are just going to assert fraud. I can prove from Petrie's own documentation. But we both know the status quo in this Forum will not allow themselves to be trounced again as they were in "Proof of God".
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
I posted all my evidence with multiple source cites.
For you to just say I posted a bunch of assertions lacking evidence is a known lie. You can disagee with evidence but don't say I didn't post any. I am still searching for the LLM documentation and am awaiting an email from other pyramidologists. I want this topic because the neanderthals in charge could not handle the hit on their worldview so they invented a reason to close it. Oops! We ran into some problems. | Internet Infidels Discussion Board I am glad to hear that this is still fun for you. Sometimes I lose sight of that. WT
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
My charge of no integrity was position oriented.
Arach sees no problem in giving a sweetheart pass to the paucity of physical evidence for transitional hominind evolution but no such gratuity will be given to Israel's presence in Sinai. In this context I said integrity was absent.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
WT writes: Message 134http://www.jqjacobs.net/anthro/paleo/scavenging.html "Fossils, though few and rare, are by for the most important evidence we have of hominid evolution." Darwins Terrier writes: http://< !--UB EvC Forum: Some Evidence Against Evolution -->http://EvC Forum: Some Evidence Against Evolution -->EvC Forum: Some Evidence Against Evolution< !--UE--> Next, it would hardly be a surprise if "a smart scientist from another discipline" would think there's little to go on. There really isn't a vast quantity of hominin fossils by volume -- which is no surprise either; it's due to the taphonomic conditions where these things are found. You could fit the entire hominin fossil record in the boot of, well maybe a large estate. (No, I won’t translate; Americans never bother!) But the question is, so what? It is not sheer quantity that matters, but what a highly experienced anatomist and palaeontologist can tell from what there is. My original point remains unscathed: Evolutionists have admittedly pronounced as fact based upon a scant paucity of disputed evidence. Your halloween movie prop picture can be and is asserted to be whatever you evos say it is. Its age is arbitrarily changed annually. Common sense says nobody can objectively determine that a said object is millions of years old - that is a dead give away of bullshit. Evos cannot even recognize Biblical evidence in the thousands of years in age yet they suddenly can matter of factly determine bits of bones to be in the millions. Yet we have a physical structure in Egypt which decimates the atheist worldview (Great Pyramid) and its Divine intelligent design confirming the written word is winked at. But you evos can declare as fact things to be thus and such millions of years old but the voluminous irrefutable physical see for yourself evidence of the GP is completely ignored. Hominind evolution is based upon virtually nothing. What we have is pure verified inconsistency: Any paucity of evidence within the sweetheart realm of evolutionary myths is not a problem but the evidence of ancient Israel is treated differently. The only evidence I need for the Exodus is the book of Exodus.
Exodus 32:4 and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods The authors of the Bible are honest reporters whereas the wizards of evolution are a ghoulish patchwork glueing together scraps of bones. The evo god is quadrupeds/created things which is sin like the Exodus text above says. And we know from other passages that Satan incites sin/molten calfs/quadrupeds/animals.
Romans 1: Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. That word "image" in the greek is the same word which we get "icon" from, hence the verse pinpoints the "icons of evolution"/corruptible anthropon (fossils), birds, quadrupeds, creeping things (animals). How many evos have an avatar of an animal ? "these be your gods O' Darwinists" The above was written 2000 years ago. Darwinism fulfilled this prophecy. The "irony" of the text is inescapable - Divinely inescapable.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
I am ignoring the content of your post because you ignored the content of my post.
Anyone can produce a long word packed post just to distance themself from the original post and its uncomfortable arguments.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
You responded to chopped up quotes and evaded my points especially the initial quotes.
Anyone with a lick of God sense knows man could not evolved, that the pseudo evidence is the result of God senseless persons creating and manufacturing evidence because the alternative is not an option - God.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
You had to summon Admin to bail you out.
I began this exchange with two quotes from evos. Message 153 Rei has evaded the quotes - fine. That has been my only point - that and the facts in the quotes that admit a paucity of hominid fossil evidence. Answer my points or snivel to Admin to further rescue you. This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 09-24-2004 04:15 PM
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
I am leaving but when I come back I will decimate your dating nonsense.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Arach:
The jest of your reply simply asserts that the Bible is not evidence while claiming that you are a christian or whatever. I am an atheist and I have the honesty to admit that we atheists create the phantom evidence of evolution out of thin air then we invoke our educational credentials to validate our creations. A skull asserted to be as you want it is not evidence - it is fraud. Anyone can glue skull fragments together and assert the end product to be transitional. Your deceitful tactic of claiming christianity in order to legitimize your evo status demonstrates what every tyrant in the history of mankind did - invoke God then proceed to lie and kill. Thats exactly what Nazi's armed with your theory did. I could actually respect you if you forsook the "I'm a christian" act and just be an evo faithful to your persuasion.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
WT writes:
Evidenciary Problems Gary - thats all. (Message 134)http://www.jqjacobs.net/anthro/paleo/scavenging.html "Fossils, though few and rare, are by for the most important evidence we have of hominid evolution." Darwins Terrier writes:
http://EvC Forum: Some Evidence Against Evolution -->EvC Forum: Some Evidence Against Evolution Next, it would hardly be a surprise if "a smart scientist from another discipline" would think there's little to go on. There really isn't a vast quantity of hominin fossils by volume -- which is no surprise either; it's due to the taphonomic conditions where these things are found. You could fit the entire hominin fossil record in the boot of, well maybe a large estate. (No, I won’t translate; Americans never bother!) But the question is, so what? It is not sheer quantity that matters, but what a highly experienced anatomist and palaeontologist can tell from what there is. These two quotes and their facts are still being avoided. Yet, evos comfort themself that there is an alleged paucity of evidence of ancient Israel = double standard. Nothing has been "debunked" - only avoided. The quotes mean what they say and say what they mean. Yet one debater asserts "few" = thousands/much. This approach renders word definitions meaningless.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
The content of my post Message 172 and the content of this present post of yours reflect a huge descrepancy.
This is what I wanted to contrast. Evos who disagree - which ones should be trusted ? I'll side with the two I quoted because where there are two there are plenty more, which leads me to the hypocrisy over Israel. You are proven inconsistent - loyal to selective evidence. The two links that you post STILL evade my quotes. Evos are declaring hominind evolution based upon an admitted paucity of fossil evidence - which is fine. I only ask that you treat ancient Israel the same - thats all. This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 09-26-2004 06:12 PM
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Hi Arach:
Your dismissal of the Bible as evidence is only done because it disproves your sacred cows.
Message 172 and its quotes substantiating the fact that hominid evolution is based upon a paucity of physical evidence. If hominid evolution was true then there would be fossils in existence ad nauseum. My quotes are airtight which means your assertions are howling monkey rage. If hominind evolution is a fact based upon very little evidence then the same reason for the paucity accounts for the alleged lack of Hebrew bones in said areas.
here's a homo habilis IOW, only fossil objects is evidence. You are like a small child who needs a toy for christmas and not a book. IOW, if you objectively studied the issues of ancient Israel you would know that evidence is not always some artefact as many historical places exist which produce zero tangible objects. Archaeology is not a full proof science but you ignorantly think it to be God. Who says homo habilis is a missing link ? Biased evos = no evidence. Only if you say so. In fact homo habilis has been reevaluated to be descendants of known pygmie peoples of Zaire/Mbuti pygmies who have an average height of 4 ft. 6 inches. And your dating of these asserted to be whatever you say they are is proven completely unreliable: http://< !--UB EvC Forum: Dating Methodology and its Associated Assumptions -->http://EvC Forum: Dating Methodology and its Associated Assumptions -->EvC Forum: Dating Methodology and its Associated Assumptions< !--UE-->
http://www.jqjacobs.net/anthro/paleo/scavenging.html "Fossils, though few and rare, are by for the most important evidence we have of hominid evolution." Darwins Terrier writes:
http://< !--UB EvC Forum: Some Evidence Against Evolution -->http://EvC Forum: Some Evidence Against Evolution -->EvC Forum: Some Evidence Against Evolution< !--UE--> Next, it would hardly be a surprise if "a smart scientist from another discipline" would think there's little to go on. There really isn't a vast quantity of hominin fossils by volume -- which is no surprise either; it's due to the taphonomic conditions where these things are found. You could fit the entire hominin fossil record in the boot of, well maybe a large estate. (No, I won’t translate; Americans never bother!) But the question is, so what? It is not sheer quantity that matters, but what a highly experienced anatomist and palaeontologist can tell from what there is. Edit: punctuation corrections. This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 09-30-2004 03:02 PM
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3078 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Care to attempt to back this up? My source for the evidence which you like to ignore is atheist and Mensa member Richard Milton.
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