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Author Topic:   Did They Write About Jesus in the Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms?
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Message 23 of 305 (199889)
04-17-2005 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Faith
04-17-2005 11:55 AM


Re: Genesis
It's simply a New Testament statement about the fact that Jesus was "born of a woman." To be said to be "born of a woman" was not exactly a Jewish way of thinking, as it was a patriarchal society, so this fact of Jesus' life is understood to refer to the prophecy in Eden that God would some day send the world a savior born of the woman. The Jews who rejected Jesus thought of him as a bastard, not having a legitimate father.
which is funny cause it is to this day matrilineal (according to what i've heard) and was at one point matrilocal.
paraphrased:
and this is why a man will leave his family and go to be with his wife
see? matrilocal.

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Message 24 of 305 (199890)
04-17-2005 1:16 PM
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04-17-2005 12:38 PM


Re: Is it prophecy or not?
It's prophetic language. A Christian credal statement is that Christ is begotten "eternally."
i think you'll prolly have to give her that one. the idea of a god unbound by time allows this.
but i'm not really sure what we're allowing or what rules we're following.

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Message 26 of 305 (199892)
04-17-2005 1:17 PM
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04-17-2005 1:01 PM


Re: Psalms (Songs)
Well, for one thing nobody was ever raised from the dead BUT Jesus. David's psalms are often speaking from the point of view of the Messiah, according to Christian interpretation and I believe also according to some lines of Jewish interpretation. If I can find a good reference on that subject I'll post it.
incorrect. there were plenty of people raised from the dead in that book. well. by jesus.
Just the general point: There is usually an internal shift from a present context to another context that couldn't possibly refer to the present, as in the above case where any idea of a person's not seeing death is contradicted by the real fact that there is nobody who has not seen death EXCEPT Jesus.
incorrect. by tradition, jesus was dead for 3 days. and more to the point he is alleged to have decended into hell to battle satan, so that psalm about not letting the faithful one see the pit? no application here
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Message 29 of 305 (199896)
04-17-2005 1:22 PM
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04-17-2005 1:16 PM


Re: Deuteronomy
i think we are still to await the king. if that's the return of jesus then fine. but i cannot justify worshiping him now. if he is the one, he is man. wholly god maybe, but still wholly man. that means he was formed of the dust. this makes him a graven image and worshipping him idolotrous.
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Message 69 of 305 (200022)
04-17-2005 11:08 PM
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04-17-2005 1:19 PM


Re: Genesis
matrilineal and matrilocal cultures tend to be matriarchal. it may have simply been after the captivity (when the whole religion was rewritten) that they became patriarchal.

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