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Author Topic:   Did They Write About Jesus in the Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms?
Legend
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Message 77 of 305 (200064)
04-18-2005 9:18 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Faith
04-17-2005 10:12 PM


Re: It's standard Christian theology
sorry to butt in, but you wrote something that caught my eye :
Faith writes:
What they do that keeps them from Him is, in a word, following the Letter rather than the Spirit, a major point of Jesus' teaching
I assume you're referring to Rom 7:6 and 2Cr 3:6. If yes, then I think you're taking this totally out of context. This is not about choosing to follow your heart over a literal interpretation of the scriptures, as you make it out to be. Paul is addressing the Roman/Greek world here and emphasises that the new covenant is not built on following the (jewish) law, but is built on the grace of the spirit of God. The Jews who had become Christians thought they still had to keep the law. So, Paul explained that they had died in Christ. Once freed from the law, they could serve God motivated by love, not fear of death.
Jesus himself relies on quoting scripture on a number of occasions. He also says to search the scriptures to find truth (Acts 17:11; 2 Tim. 3:16).
Also:
"The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?" (Jer. 17:9).
Overall, the Bible advocates looking at the words, not your heart / tradition to find the truth. I think that's exactly what Pd and Arach are doing.

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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Legend
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Message 111 of 305 (200291)
04-19-2005 4:25 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by Faith
04-18-2005 8:13 PM


Re: It's standard Christian theology
ok, sorry, I misread you.

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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Legend
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Message 112 of 305 (200292)
04-19-2005 4:33 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by arachnophilia
04-18-2005 8:10 PM


Re: It's standard Christian theology
quote:
this is why i suspect paul was not actually jewish.
you're probably right. He seems to have been influenced a lot by hellenistic ideas, so he probably was exposed to Greek culture early on, even if he was of Jewish origins.

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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Legend
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From: Wales, UK
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Message 117 of 305 (200310)
04-19-2005 8:09 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by arachnophilia
04-19-2005 5:29 AM


Re: It's standard Christian theology
quote:
yeah, i've noticed a lot of hellenistic tendencies. but i don't know enough about the greek history and the hellenistic jews to really make a call on this. all i know is that paul's arguments are not only diametrically opposed to jewish traditions, but blatantly misunderstand them as well.
I know some about greek history but nothing about jewish traditions. As this is off-topic here, I think I'll start a new thread on Paul. Will let you know when I do.

"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

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