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tesla
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Message 189 of 312 (455407)
02-12-2008 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 188 by Chiroptera
02-12-2008 10:51 AM


Re: What does proof have to do with reality?
what is the truth?
many of you know my argument, so ill not bring that here, but lets observe a name.
God by most is considered "superior being"
the christian bible says there are many gods, but only one true "God"
God then is a label for the being superior to man. names have a greater value in some cultures, a name represented what the person represented, not just a label. like : joe carpenter : joe, who is a carpenter.
by observing reality and the state of existing, i have determined that nothing can exist, unless existence first was. because, without existence, there is nothing to "exist" in.
by this observation, whatever was the first that existed, was existence, and from it all things have come, and are sustained by, by the observations of science laws, that energy cannot be created or destroyed, but changed from "form to form". and also no energy, or conserved energy, nor any thing that is real, can be sustained without conditions to support it. the first condition is existence, in which all things are in, and nothing "exists" outside of. and was the first base of energy from all things came, and the first cause came from, that became what we know as the universe, and the universe is sustained by that condition.
by observing the initial condition, and T=0, i concluded intelligence by necessity, and the first act, an act o faith.
by this method, did i take God, and define God by what God represents in the "true ultimate being" or "true God" as:
existence:n. the basis of all things that "are". it was/is the energy that was before all things that are, which was timeless,intelligent, and created all that is from itself. based on faith it was. and therefore established the state of "being" or "existing", and sustains all that is.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 191 of 312 (455413)
02-12-2008 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 190 by Chiroptera
02-12-2008 11:26 AM


Re: Good question.
yes. the value is: true, or false.
real, or not real.
what is real is the true reality.
what is real to the individual is individual reality.
so it is good to ask the question, because if the individual reality is wrong, the truth can be devastating on a matter such as this.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 217 of 312 (455709)
02-13-2008 1:42 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by Stile
02-13-2008 11:51 AM


Re: Wise Words
well done. well said.
so what is the reality of "existence"?

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 220 of 312 (455730)
02-13-2008 3:20 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Chiroptera
02-13-2008 2:48 PM


Re: Logic and science.
its the science of existing that leads to God.
how is existence possible?
why is existence possible?
where was existence possible?
what is existence?
when was existence possible?
who, what, why, when, where.
objectively, what is reality?

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 224 of 312 (455765)
02-13-2008 5:27 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by Stile
02-13-2008 3:38 PM


Re: Thanks
But what is the reality of existence? I don't know, and I've yet to hear of any information or observations that can be verified about such knowledge. It would seem to me that in order to answer this question, we'ed have to get observations of existence from beyond the bounds of this reality. Such a task seems rather difficult to me.
yes, and to further kill the conversation concerning it, you can click my name and e-mail me to further pursue an observation of science that led me to a conclusion of what i can or cannot say concerning existence. but for a quick reference, here's a link that will show you what i mean.
http://EvC Forum: Before Big Bang God or Singularity -->EvC Forum: Before Big Bang God or Singularity
existence is in my belief, the true name of God as our language can describe.
Edited by tesla, : last sentence.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 226 of 312 (455779)
02-13-2008 6:25 PM
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02-13-2008 6:23 PM


Re: Logic and science.
it is reality that you exist. its relevant to science that all things are.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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