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The definition of GOD

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iano
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02-12-2008 11:51 AM 		Reply to: Message 193 by Stile
02-12-2008 11:38 AM

Re: Wise Words
Stile writes:
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But the physical existence of a locomotive vs. our imagination is not left to personal opinion. That requires 'actual observations of the real world.'
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Of course, what is real is always what you yourself decide is real. That includes the people (who you decide are real) confirming 'by actual observation' that the locomotive (you have already decided is real) is really heading towards you.
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iano
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02-13-2008 10:58 AM 		Reply to: Message 196 by Stile
02-12-2008 1:22 PM

Re: Wise Words
iano writes:
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Of course, what is real is always what you yourself decide is real. That includes the people (you decide are real) who confirm that the locomotive (you have already suspected was real) is really heading towards you.
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Stile writes:
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Correct. And I've decided that what is real is independent of what I decide is real. That is, I think reality exists on it's own, and I don't have any input as to its existence. I could be wrong, but every time I stub my toe on anything I don't believe exists, reality certainly shows it doesn't care what I think. Therefore, in order to see what does exist, I need some observations from reality.
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What you finally decide is real isn't all that relevant. Granted, plenty of things flow out of what you decide - and you give an example above. It is a curious example in that you seem to need observations from the reality you have decided is independant of yourself to help you decide what is reality.
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My main point was that you are always the final court of appeal for what is real - however you arrive at that decision. This:
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I've decided that what is real is independent of what I decide is real.
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...doesn't alter that.
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