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Author Topic:   Christianity Is Broken, but Can Be Fixed
mike the wiz
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Message 20 of 247 (260170)
11-16-2005 8:33 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by nator
11-16-2005 8:19 AM


Re: Two questions
But it is the directives of Christ.
Loving one another, and all he mentioned etc.. is directly relevant to the specific Christ-faith if it fulfills the requirements of Christ's commands.
It's important to note that if all of the composite group are [Christian], which in this case I suppose they are, and all are willing to obey the commands of the peaceable Christ, then all the conditions lead to success, as claimed by Truthlover.
I'm aware that the irritation to none-believers, will be if the claim is that no Christian is imperfect. I think that's not what TL is trying to say though.
I think NWR's point is valid though; this could be stifling. What if you don't enjoy close-knit groupings? Is there evidence that simply being tolerant and reasonable with one another, wouldn't result in the same findings?

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mike the wiz
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Message 30 of 247 (260208)
11-16-2005 10:42 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by truthlover
11-16-2005 9:13 AM


Re: Point two is not factual.
That is not happening except in the rarest of instances. Therefore, Christianity looks powerless, and possibly even evil. It's therefore either not the real faith, or it's some broken version of it, and I'm arguing that the real faith has produced and can still produce all I've described above.
You've been describing a lot of my views in this thread.
I agree with this post I am responding to. My only slight disagreement is the "real faith" claim.
There might be a real formula that works. And yes, I agree that that formula comes via Christ. But since you are sincerely ONLY claiming the formula works, I don't think we have a problem.
But what then does this say about life on earth? Are we supposed to, in your view, try our best to believe in Christ, or is it basically down to ourselves to get on with it if Christ knew so many would fall short and not follow?
I assume that like me, you don't believe that hell is simply for none-believers. So then logically, do we assume that Christ's actions on the cross were to mainly give people eternal life, in that; he foreknew few would find the straight and narrow? I suppose I am positing that infact the way of life, although an excellent find (certainly for me), is infact a rare treasure, which to Christ, is not as important as actually paying for sin.
I respect your opinions on these slightly off-topic questions, as it strikes me that I wouldn't come to any other believer here in town, for such logical answers. Answer if you can, and take your time, as this forum is second best to your treasure.

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