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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Are you saying that the logic is faulty?
If that's what your saying we can go on to the next step. If you believe the logic I stated in correct, then let's parse that further. So, logic correct as stated or incorrect? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
DC85 writes:
God needs no purpose. Its like my parents always said when I asked why...."Because I said so." Christians claim without a god we have no purpose.So can I assume without a god of his own God has no purpose? For the likes of all of us, however, perhaps WE are Gods purpose...after all, He gave His Son for us....and is not a Son representative of a purpose continued?
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DC85 Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: |
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
So why do we need purpose if God doesn't?
Imagine if you had a rich Daddy who no longer worked. You were 16 and did not want to go to school. He told you that you had to do it. You said, Why do I need to work if YOU don't? What do you think his response would be??
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DC85 Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: |
"I worked for my money it is your turn"
What does this have to do with anything? This is hardly the same question. Why do we need a purpose for being? This message has been edited by DC85, 10-17-2004 12:49 AM My site The Atheist Bible My New Debate Fourms!
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
DC85 writes: To a Christian Theist, God is the Daddy...He needs no purpose except to be God. Our purpose is to fullfill His eternal purpose and destiny that He foreknew from the get go. I suppose that to an atheist or a skeptic, we as humans need no purpose...if you wanna be a bum. Party till ya drop, I guess. As for God, I've never really cared what He does with His daily agenda. Whatever He wants, is all I know.
Why do we need a purpose for being?
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DC85 Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: |
I don't understand why you feel you need a purpose?
quote:Why can't we say the same for us? Why do we need a purpose and God does not? Your Logic makes no sense. I am sorry but I am trying to understand you. So far it isn't working. When I was faced with similar questions I began journey toward Atheism.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Hey,DC85...this IS a difficult concept, and all that each of us have is our opinions, beliefs, and conclusions. Lets start with the definition of the word, "purpose".
Websters writes: 1purpose \"pr-ps\ n 1 : an object or result aimed at : intention 2 : resolution, determination purposeful \-fl\ adj purposefully adv purposeless adj purposely adv 2purpose vb purposed; purposing : to propose as an aim to oneself Keep in mind that my explanation is influenced by my belief paradigm, DC. God has a purpose unto Himself as a proposal to Himself. This makes no sense from a human objective viewpoint but from the viewpoint of an eternally existing Creator it makes perfect sense.
NIV writes:
So what is mans purpose? The so called religious "experts" in the time of Jesus rebelled against the evident authority which Jesus carried with (and within) him. Prov 19:21=Many are the plans in a man's heart,but it is the LORD's purpose that prevails. Isa 46:10= I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand... Luke 7:29-30=(All the people, even the tax collectors, when they heard Jesus' words, acknowledged that God's way was right, because they had been baptized by John. But the Pharisees and experts in the law rejected God's purpose for themselves, because they had not been baptized by John.)
For an atheist, quotations from the Bible to explain the Bible never impresses. Let us turn to the only OTHER source besides the Word of God.....human wisdom. By the way, when I discuss issues pertaining to God and faith with people like you who do not accept the Bible as any more than a fallible book, I am mindful and respectful of the fact that you, like I, wish to learn more. For me, I habitually use Gods Word as a comparitive standard...a yardstick of philosophy, as it were. What do philosophers say about "purpose"? Wikipedia writes:
I really can't define Gods purpose beyond what one can gather concerning such a thing. I believe that all of us are part of His overall purpose and plan.
Purpose is deliberately thought-through goal-directedness.According to some philosophies, purpose is central to a good human life. Helen Keller wrote that happiness comes from "fidelity to a worthy purpose", and Ayn Rand wrote that purpose must be one of the three ruling values of human life (the others are reason and self-esteem). Some people think that God assigns purposes to people and that it is their mission to fulfill them. Others say that purposes are freely chosen by individuals, or not chosen, in which case their lives lack meaning. Among these, some say that natural propensities may determine what sorts of purposes a person needs to pursue, but do not guarantee that he or she will pursue them, that being dependent on free choice. Pursuing a career, raising a family and acquiring property are perhaps the most widespread of long-term purposes that make life meaningful according to such philosophies. Helping the needy is an oft-cited, but less popular example. DC85 writes: And I can't imagine why anyone would not want one!
I don't understand why you feel you need a purpose?
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DC85 Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: |
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DC85 Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: |
I don't think it is... It doesn't connect for me. please explain
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Okay, so saying that a two year old requires external purpose does not mean that adults require external purpose.
Agreed so far? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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DC85 Member Posts: 876 From: Richmond, Virginia USA Joined: |
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
If there is no purpose - why would anything come about?
Why would anything happen? Wouldn't it just not? I mean - a 2 year old does have purpose - and these dangerous unbelieving teachings are wrongful! I mean - Can I now go out and rape/murder because no body has purpose and I can basically do what I want because all that matters is my gratification? Why does my body function? Why should it purposefully pump blood around my veins in a system? Why should anything happen - if there is no purpose - wouldn't it not bother?
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That's not what I said.
I said, for a child to have purpose it must come from outside. It comes from parents. I believe that you agreed with that. You also agreed that it does not mean that the parents had to get their purpose from an external source. So far so good? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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