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Phat
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Message 47 of 75 (150290)
10-16-2004 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by DC85
10-16-2004 12:15 AM


DC85 writes:
Christians claim without a god we have no purpose.
So can I assume without a god of his own God has no purpose?
God needs no purpose. Its like my parents always said when I asked why...."Because I said so."
For the likes of all of us, however, perhaps WE are Gods purpose...after all, He gave His Son for us....and is not a Son representative of a purpose continued?

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Message 49 of 75 (150335)
10-16-2004 6:07 PM
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10-16-2004 12:40 PM


So why do we need purpose if God doesn't?
Imagine if you had a rich Daddy who no longer worked. You were 16 and did not want to go to school. He told you that you had to do it. You said, Why do I need to work if YOU don't? What do you think his response would be??

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Message 51 of 75 (150452)
10-17-2004 3:55 AM
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10-17-2004 1:47 AM


DC85 writes:
Why do we need a purpose for being?
To a Christian Theist, God is the Daddy...He needs no purpose except to be God. Our purpose is to fullfill His eternal purpose and destiny that He foreknew from the get go. I suppose that to an atheist or a skeptic, we as humans need no purpose...if you wanna be a bum. Party till ya drop, I guess. As for God, I've never really cared what He does with His daily agenda. Whatever He wants, is all I know.

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Message 54 of 75 (150491)
10-17-2004 12:05 PM
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10-17-2004 11:21 AM


Whose Purpose is at Our Center?
Hey,DC85...this IS a difficult concept, and all that each of us have is our opinions, beliefs, and conclusions. Lets start with the definition of the word, "purpose".
Websters writes:
1purpose \"pr-ps\ n 1 : an object or result aimed at : intention 2 : resolution, determination purposeful \-fl\ adj purposefully adv purposeless adj purposely adv
2purpose vb purposed; purposing : to propose as an aim to oneself
Keep in mind that my explanation is influenced by my belief paradigm, DC. God has a purpose unto Himself as a proposal to Himself. This makes no sense from a human objective viewpoint but from the viewpoint of an eternally existing Creator it makes perfect sense.
NIV writes:
Prov 19:21=Many are the plans in a man's heart,
but it is the LORD's purpose that prevails.
Isa 46:10= I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say: My purpose will stand...
So what is mans purpose? The so called religious "experts" in the time of Jesus rebelled against the evident authority which Jesus carried with (and within) him.
Luke 7:29-30=(All the people, even the tax collectors, when they heard Jesus' words, acknowledged that God's way was right, because they had been baptized by John. But the Pharisees and experts in the law rejected God's purpose for themselves, because they had not been baptized by John.)
For an atheist, quotations from the Bible to explain the Bible never impresses. Let us turn to the only OTHER source besides the Word of God.....human wisdom. By the way, when I discuss issues pertaining to God and faith with people like you who do not accept the Bible as any more than a fallible book, I am mindful and respectful of the fact that you, like I, wish to learn more. For me, I habitually use Gods Word as a comparitive standard...a yardstick of philosophy, as it were. What do philosophers say about "purpose"?
Wikipedia writes:
Purpose is deliberately thought-through goal-directedness.
According to some philosophies, purpose is central to a good human life. Helen Keller wrote that happiness comes from "fidelity to a worthy purpose", and Ayn Rand wrote that purpose must be one of the three ruling values of human life (the others are reason and self-esteem). Some people think that God assigns purposes to people and that it is their mission to fulfill them. Others say that purposes are freely chosen by individuals, or not chosen, in which case their lives lack meaning. Among these, some say that natural propensities may determine what sorts of purposes a person needs to pursue, but do not guarantee that he or she will pursue them, that being dependent on free choice.
Pursuing a career, raising a family and acquiring property are perhaps the most widespread of long-term purposes that make life meaningful according to such philosophies. Helping the needy is an oft-cited, but less popular example.
I really can't define Gods purpose beyond what one can gather concerning such a thing. I believe that all of us are part of His overall purpose and plan.
DC85 writes:
I don't understand why you feel you need a purpose?
And I can't imagine why anyone would not want one!

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Message 66 of 75 (150663)
10-18-2004 5:00 AM
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10-17-2004 11:16 PM


The Purpose and Destiny of a Two Year Old
jar writes:
You said that a two year old does not have to have a purpose, but that a parent could provide a purpose for the two year old.
So, is it not also reasonable to state that while an adult does not have to have a purpose,(an adult) can have a purpose that is either self generated or provided from an external source.
Would you agree with that?
Sounds reasonable to me. Anyone else?
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Message 67 of 75 (150669)
10-18-2004 5:20 AM
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10-17-2004 9:00 PM


Is God the Origin of meaning or Is Humanity a means and an End unto itself?
DC85 writes:
"before" we were created what was God's purpose?
This one is hard to answer. I could go to the Bible and pull up some scriptures, but IF the question is to be directed at God and His business BEFORE we were around, I can only ask Him directly. Let me attempt to have you frame your point,DC85. Are you attempting to assert that having a purpose is NOT a necessary trait of human existance? OR...are you asking for feedback just to watch our various thought processes in response to your question??
I will wing it with your question....God had US as one of His main purposes before we were actually created. I am uncertain as to the reason that He created an entire Universe. I do NOT rule out life on other planets, nor do I rule out that Creation was for God and not for Us. In the Bible, God makes it a point through the human authors to let us know His thought process.
(Isaiah 14:24) "The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:"
He seems to want us to acknowledge Him as the Origin and the Center of all meaning. Indeed, He commands us to Love Him above all else. I can understand that from the viewpoint of one who does not believe in God, much Biblical dialogue is to be ignored. Another question for you, DC85. Do you believe that humans need to pool their wisdom as a source in order to find answers to the questions and problems that we have? If so, are you willing to include those of us who have given our individual minds over to the belief that God is OUR source? Or do we interfere with the unbiased thought pool of pure secular thinkers??
Also...if you equate human justification with Gods justification, are you advocating a Popeye Philosophy?
I Yam what I Yam
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Message 74 of 75 (151553)
10-21-2004 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by macaroniandcheese
10-19-2004 5:20 PM


Good One!
Brennakimi, that was a great explanation! One of the best that I've heard! BTW Does anyone know why we can't find Noahs Ark?

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