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Topic: What is God's Purpose for being?
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 6 of 75 (150002)
10-14-2004 9:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by DC85
10-13-2004 10:36 PM
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If you asked a two year old what his parents purpose was, what do you think you'd get as an answer?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 8 of 75 (150006)
10-14-2004 9:24 PM
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Reply to: Message 7 by DC85
10-14-2004 9:19 PM
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As a two year old, I could not go anywhere without my parents giving me a ride. Does that mean that they cannot go somewhere without some superior being giving them a ride?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 10 of 75 (150011)
10-14-2004 9:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 9 by DC85
10-14-2004 9:34 PM
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yes it does according to many christians. I'm not sure that is correct. Let's step through it. You say that Christians say that GOD gives them purpose. So far are we together? By the way, if you click on the specific reply button (red) below the post you're responding to it will notify me of your response.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 25 of 75 (150208)
10-15-2004 7:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 24 by DC85
10-15-2004 7:30 PM
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So how about an answer to Message 10?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 27 of 75 (150213)
10-15-2004 8:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 26 by DC85
10-15-2004 7:53 PM
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Okay, let's move on to the next step. Let's try and think like that two year old I was mentioning. A two year old does not really have a purpose. Instead, any pupose, any direction, any goals for the two year old are set by the parents. The two year old's world revolves around immediate needs, when cold to be warm, when hungry to be fed, when bored to be stimulated. But at two, there isn't really much purpose beyond that unless it comes from outside, from the parents. Are we still in agreement?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 29 of 75 (150227)
10-15-2004 8:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 28 by DC85
10-15-2004 8:40 PM
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So far so good. Now, still from the two year old's perspective, purpose is totally external, it's directed from above. Still together?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 32 of 75 (150234)
10-15-2004 9:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 31 by Taqless
10-15-2004 9:22 PM
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If by Catholic you mean Roaman Catholics, they don't pray to graven images as far as I know. But regardless, that's way off topic for this thread. If you want to explore that first check for an existing thread or propose a new one.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 35 of 75 (150238)
10-15-2004 9:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 30 by DC85
10-15-2004 9:20 PM
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Not quite. For the two year old, their only pupose is from above. So the two year old gets direction only externally. But does that mean that the parent must also get direction only externally? Is the form two year olds only get purpose externally. two year olds are humans. adults are human. adults only get purpose externally. logically valid?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 37 of 75 (150246)
10-15-2004 10:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 36 by DC85
10-15-2004 10:36 PM
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Remember the reply button? Back to the series I suggested.
Is the form two year olds only get purpose externally. two year olds are humans. adults are human. adults only get purpose externally. logically valid?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 44 of 75 (150273)
10-16-2004 10:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 43 by Tusko
10-16-2004 10:41 AM
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Actually, the thread is on GOD's purpose and I haven't gotten to that yet. The basic assumption given in the OP is that some Christians say that you can only have purpose if it's from GOD. Right now I'm still just trying to build the logic that would support the contention in the OP. So, since dc hasn't answered, I'll ask you. Do you think the logic in that set is correct?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 46 of 75 (150276)
10-16-2004 11:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 45 by DC85
10-16-2004 11:01 AM
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Are you saying that the logic is faulty? If that's what your saying we can go on to the next step. If you believe the logic I stated in correct, then let's parse that further. So, logic correct as stated or incorrect?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 53 of 75 (150488)
10-17-2004 11:50 AM
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Reply to: Message 52 by DC85
10-17-2004 11:21 AM
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Still waiting for an answer to Message 46. Thanks.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 57 of 75 (150560)
10-17-2004 9:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 56 by DC85
10-17-2004 9:03 PM
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Okay, so saying that a two year old requires external purpose does not mean that adults require external purpose. Agreed so far?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 60 of 75 (150565)
10-17-2004 9:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 58 by DC85
10-17-2004 9:34 PM
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That's not what I said. I said, for a child to have purpose it must come from outside. It comes from parents. I believe that you agreed with that. You also agreed that it does not mean that the parents had to get their purpose from an external source. So far so good?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 65 of 75 (150584)
10-17-2004 11:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 62 by DC85
10-17-2004 10:58 PM
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Well, let's go on to the next step. Let's look back again at that two year old. You said that a two year old does not have to have a purpose, but that a parent could provide a purpose for the two year old. So, is it not also reasonable to state that while an adult does not have to have a purpose, can have a purpose that is either self generated or provided from an external source. Would you agree with that? This message has been edited by jar, 10-17-2004 10:17 PM
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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