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Author Topic:   Will I see Hitler in heaven?
ringo
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Message 46 of 99 (322557)
06-17-2006 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by iano
06-17-2006 12:17 PM


Re: Lifes a beach - then you die
iano writes:
Measured against Gods standards we're all full of evil.
"Full of evil" is a meaningless phrase. We are all capable of evil, but some of us don't have the means, motive and/or oppurtunity to express it. Hitler was just more efficient than most.
God's standards are based on what is best for us, not best for Him.
From our point of view, Hitler had a worse effect on mankind than most other grains of sand. From God's point of view, we all die anyway. Hurrying up the process doesn't offend Him like it offends us.

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Message 66 of 99 (328759)
07-04-2006 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by iano
07-04-2006 9:35 AM


iano writes:
Guilt must be measured according to the standard of the person whose Law is being broken - not according to the standard of the law breaker....
That's your fundamental error. The law is not made for the benefit of the lawmaker - it is made for the benefit of society.
We did not inherit Adam's guilt. We inherited his knowledge of good and evil - i.e. we do know what is good and bad for our society. God's laws are only a reflection of what we already know about right and wrong.

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ringo
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Message 70 of 99 (328800)
07-04-2006 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by iano
07-04-2006 2:43 PM


iano writes:
We inherited his knowledge of good and evil - i.e. we do know what is good and bad for our society.
If you had put an eg: instead of an i.e. then I might have even wholeheartedly agree with you here too
The "i.e." is correct. The two are equivalent - there is no example involved.
Gods laws are a reflection of his holiness.
No, they are a reflection of our needs.
Why should He care if we kill each other? We're all going to die any way - our deaths effect us, not Him.
They are put there so that in our breaking them we might come to recognise what we are: sinners.
No, they are put there to help us get along with each other.
If the law was only for purposes of entrapment, it could be any arbitrary nonsense: don't drive over 100 klicks on Tuesday afternoon when the temperature is over 20 degrees Celsius. Since the commandments make sense, it is clear that they were made to be kept, not broken.
What chance a sinner to sin if there was no law to break huh?
Sin is not the same thing as "breaking the law", as Jesus pointed out:
quote:
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Lust is "equivalent" to adultery because it can lead to adultery. But lust is not an enforcible - or even detectable - offense under the law.
quote:
1Jo 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Hate is the "equivalent" of murder because it can lead to murder. But hate is not an enforcible - or even detectable - offense under the law.
So how can the law convict us of sin?
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As for the OP: the chances of cavediver seeing Hitler in heaven depend on two things:
  1. Will Hitler be in heaven?
  2. Will cavediver be there to see him?

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Message 89 of 99 (329867)
07-08-2006 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Kid Oh No
07-07-2006 1:51 PM


How to Post 101
If you're going to use scripture references, please quote them. Don't just cite them - most people won't bother to look them up and your point will be lost.
Also, try using paragraphs.

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