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Author Topic:   Will I see Hitler in heaven?
jar
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Message 19 of 99 (321890)
06-15-2006 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by cavediver
06-15-2006 7:47 AM


I'll make at least one post but I'm also not at all sure where the hell this thread is headed.
Jar has often mentioned his view of everyone being saved. This too leads Hitler to heaven. But in a recent thread, Jar gave a possible suggestion that salvation could be lost... a more traditional works based salvation. In this case, Hitler has probably not quite made the grade!
Everyone else seems to tell me what it is I believe so I guess you can too. LOL
I'm considering trying to explain just how I did get to what I currently believe, but it will be a long wandering path that will likely interest few so if I do go off on that journey I'll probably have the Queen just stick it in the Columnists Corner so it can be easily ignored.
I have said I believe that all start off saved, everyone.
I don't think that anyone can earn salvation through works.
I do believe that GOD has charged each of us to try to do what is right and to avoid doing what is wrong.
I do believe that we will be judged based on how well we do under those conditions.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 21 of 99 (321922)
06-15-2006 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by cavediver
06-15-2006 1:46 PM


I can live with that.
I looked at the various possibilities.
God chooses who will be saved.
That seems to make God arbitrary and capricious, cruel and evil, since he also created all of us.
We are born damned and only saved by the Grace of GOD.
That too simply seems the act of a cruel God. Why create damned folk?
Loving God means professing faith and worshiping God.
That makes God out to be some bling-bling pimp daddy we gets bent out of shape if dissed. Somehow I just can't picture that. GOD is farther above me than I am to an ant, and I certainly don't much worry about whether or not some ant is dissin' me.
Only Christians are saved.
Why? See all of above.
Works can earn salvation.
Possible but again, IMHO unlikely. Reading the Bible I find no firm indication that that is the case, and many indications that that is not the case.
I believe the moral of most of the Bible, beginning with Genesis is that we know right from wrong, and that GOD expects us to do what is right, and to try not to do what is wrong. That is a basic expectation. The reward for that is that you build a better life here for you, and for those you come in contact with, either directly or indirectly.
It has little to do with earning salvation. In fact, if the goal of doing good is to earn salvation, I would imagine that GOD would discount such works since salvation is already a given.
Does that make any sense?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 34 of 99 (322219)
06-16-2006 11:14 AM
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06-16-2006 11:04 AM


and the Second is a two parter.
If however we develop an attitude of love for others and a love for all that is good we will have developed a mind set that is not of the self and will gladly choose heaven.
Remember that the Second is a two part command. Love others as you love yourself.
You MUST first love yourself, value yourself, respect yourself, what good for yourself, know that you are NOT condemned.
Unless you have a high standard for yourself, you will not treat others with respect.
The higher the standaard you set for yourself, the better you will treat others.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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