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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 23 of 99 (321963)
06-15-2006 4:20 PM
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06-15-2006 12:30 PM


I mean what punishment do you inflict sufficient to balance the scales?
ridiculous and immaterial. a wrong is a wrong. a death is a death. how many thousands of people starve to death or die of malaria or dysentery every day in the congo because of the strategic neglect of the rest of humanity?
(btw. according to an interview i heard a couple months ago, the number is two or three thousand. every day.)

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Message 26 of 99 (322006)
06-15-2006 6:17 PM
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06-15-2006 4:53 PM


wrong is wrong. death is death. be it hitler, diseased neglect, or a 'righteous' military. hitler supported a philosophy, however flawed. but he did not by his own hand murder the rest of europe. he did not do it alone. he did it with willing and unwilling assistance and with the assistance and support of the great powers. remember, we gave him license by not stopping him earlier. we gave him czechoslovakia, we gave him poland. we didn't stop his actions elsewhere. we stood by and watched as rumors flew out. just like we stood by and watched as neighbors killed each other in bosnia.
how about our founding fathers and our great american leaders? do you expect to see them burn in hell for the american genocide perpetrated against natives? or how about the horrors perpetrated by those in control of our dear, beloved petrol? shouldn't we all be sent to hell for supporting that? or is that just inconvenient?
no one is unforgivable, or god has no power or mercy whatsoever.

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Message 28 of 99 (322018)
06-15-2006 6:46 PM
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06-15-2006 6:21 PM


yes, it is not how one understands history. but it is how one understands society and politics. single state actor model is bullshit and you know it. no one person is ever responsible for everything.
Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

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Message 31 of 99 (322057)
06-15-2006 9:22 PM
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06-15-2006 6:59 PM


bullshit.

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Message 39 of 99 (322350)
06-16-2006 3:33 PM
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06-16-2006 3:10 PM


i disagree that hitler was himself so innumerably evil. he was simply a man with an incorrect philosophy that he shared with many others at that time. he managed to use this philosophy and psychological manipulation to take power. but he couldn't have and didn't accomplish this philosophy on his own.
he was no more or less evil than those who have carried out various atrocities at various levels throughout history. i'm simply sick of the constant demonization of this man who was just that--a man. yes he was a bad man, but he was only a man and was no more or less forgivable than any other man. further, he is no more or less punishable than any other man.

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Message 42 of 99 (322540)
06-17-2006 12:14 PM
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06-17-2006 12:06 PM


i see.
i suppose that's the importance of mercy in god's character. whether true or not, it is consistent.

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