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pink sasquatch
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Message 5 of 300 (267492)
12-10-2005 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by joshua221
12-10-2005 3:28 AM


Hi prophex - Nice post.
Though part of it shocked me:
Would God show himself to me using tribal religion, some sort of alternative to Christ?
(I think the text changed a bit since your original proposal, so I couldn't find the exact line that surprised me):
It seemed you were saying that in certain circumstances, such as living in a very "primitive" cultural setting, you might have ended up worshipping someone/thing other than Christ, but that it would have been a sort of Christ-in-disguise customized specifically for you by God.
Lest you think I'm criticising you, let me tell you I think that is a beautiful idea.
But then again, I think all religon is essentially the same (and not in a demeaning/derogatory way).
I'm not trying to argue against your faith by any means, but I have a few questions:
- If you found Christ as some part of nature, or as some other deity, (especially if God presented Christ to you in that manner), are you any less a Christian than someone who goes to church every Sunday and knows His "name"?
- If God is sending Christ to different people in different ways according to His plan, what does that say for Christian missionary work? Isn't it actually going against God's plan, in a way?
- If accept that God could present Christ to you in another form, then how are you sure that you are not actually worshipping another deity who has presented Himself to you in your cultural context, that is, as Christ?
- Does it matter which God(s) you worship, if there exists one true deity (or deities) that reaches people via different religious modes?
Again, please don't think I'm trying to tear down what you've stated - I think it is quite beautiful. But I have been dying to get your input on these questions I think it has raised.

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pink sasquatch
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Message 14 of 300 (267686)
12-10-2005 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by joshua221
12-10-2005 4:16 PM


Thank you.
Just wanted to thank you for your responses and the thread, PORTEUS.
It is nice to have someone so openly and personally express their faith. Too often people in the forum open a thread to "express their beliefs", and basically end up describing the pigeonhole they've place themselves in based upon which type of church they go to and which version of the Bible they use... which I find rather off-putting, almost "artificial" for lack of a better word.
Your expression was quite the opposite. I genuinely appreciate your beliefs.
the beauty is in the different paths that our souls guide us through to one thing
Absolutely.

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pink sasquatch
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Message 38 of 300 (268356)
12-12-2005 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by macaroniandcheese
12-12-2005 4:54 PM


Ask your preacher where these guys are now, pt.2
brennakimi writes:
if you think nazis were christian, you need to do a little research.

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pink sasquatch
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Message 43 of 300 (268522)
12-12-2005 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by macaroniandcheese
12-12-2005 8:01 PM


Re: Ask your preacher where these guys are now, pt.2
a picture speaks a thousand words... but i don't speak german.
Can't figure out "Deutche Christen"?
Can't figure out a swastika and a cross side-by-side?
And I'm supposed to trust your interpretation of the Holocaust?
but that does not define nazism as a christian movement. far from it. seriously.
Nazism as a Christian movement? Maybe not.
But a Nazism as a movement of Christians? Absolutely.
Besides, you cannot avoid the fact that many of the Nazi leaders embraced Christianity, and major churches of Europe embraced Nazism and racism. Try Mosse's Towards the Final Solution. True, many of the Nazi ideas adulterated Christianity with Paganistic philosophy, but the core values and stories of Christianity always remained intact.
Also, even if you manage to separate Christianity entirely from the Nazi leadership, you've got the Christian citizenry rounding people up and putting them into ovens.
The Final Solution would have never succeeded as far as it did without Christianity at its core.

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pink sasquatch
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Message 45 of 300 (268599)
12-13-2005 12:44 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by macaroniandcheese
12-13-2005 12:34 AM


Re: Ask your preacher where these guys are now, pt.2
here's a paper i wrote last spring for my hitler and nazi germany class. i'd have cited more sources but my teacher was a lame-o and forbade the use of outside sources
Absurd. Obviously a paper based solely on three pre-determined sources is not going to be well balanced, and I have no interest in wasting my time on such shite. I have plenty of scholarly sources describing Christianity under Nazism, and as part of Nazism - I don't need your class exercise to educate me on the subject.
Christians enacted the Holocaust, not scientologists.
This is all more than off-topic anyway - I won't respond again in this thread.

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pink sasquatch
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Message 48 of 300 (268617)
12-13-2005 1:20 AM
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12-13-2005 1:18 AM


Re: Ask your preacher where these guys are now, pt.2
but to describe it as a "christian movement" is kind of absurdly overkill.
I didn't.

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