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purpledawn
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Message 82 of 103 (274949)
01-02-2006 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by randman
01-02-2006 3:17 AM


Doctrine of Original Sin
There is a difference between the "Doctrine of Original Sin" and saying that Adam's sin affected mankind.
Christian Bible Encyclopaedia 1902
Original Sin, or native depravity, is that whereby our whole nature is disordered, and our inclinations rendered contrary to the law of God.
Understanding Catholicism by O'Gorman & Faulkner 2000
The concept of original sin helps to explain how evil can exist in a world created by a good God....
The name "original sin" did not enter into church teachings until the time of Augustine. He identified original sin as a basic yearning for self-gratification that turns people away from God....
During the Middle Ages, the interpretation shifed away from an emphasis on humans' corrupt nature to the break in the relationship with God that Adam caused by committing the first sin. Thomas Aquinas described original sin as a "weakened, disordered precondition."
Judaism’s Rejection Of Original Sin does not mean they don't think Adam's actions affected mankind. They do feel it lowered man's status, but they do not believe that man is born into this world in a state of sin.
Jews believe that man enters the world free of sin, with a soul that is pure and innocent and untainted.
As ramoss pointed out in Message 77 the Jews do not believe that sin is inherited, which is what is implied by the "Doctrine of Original Sin."
The information you shared from the internet shows that Jews believe that Adam's sin affected mankind, not that every person is born sinful, which is what is implied by the "Doctrine of Original Sin."
We are equipped with good inclinations and bad inclinations and just as God told Cain.
Genesis 4:7 - Torah
Surely, if you do right, There is uplift. But if you do not do right Sin couches at the door; Its urge is toward you, Yet you can be its master.
Having a lower status does not mean born with sin.
Do you understand the difference?

There are two ways of spreading light: to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it. -Edith Wharton

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purpledawn
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From: Indiana
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Message 85 of 103 (275120)
01-02-2006 7:30 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Faith
01-02-2006 3:32 PM


Re: Doctrine of Original Sin
This is my understanding:
Man was created with an equal balance of good and evil. 50/50
After Adam sinned, supposedly evil increased so there was now an imbalance (51/49). So now it is supposedly more difficult for man to overcome his evil inclination, not impossible, but more difficult.
Sin, as ramoss explained, means to miss the mark. You can't inherit sin or a mistake. You may inherit the propensity to sin, but that doesn't mean you will sin.
I don't see the lower status as dealing with moral capacities, since Adam still made a wrong choice at the higher status. I see it as losing ground. He has to work harder to reach perfection.
Rough Example: There is a wealthy family of 5. They are all basicly good people. The father makes a mistake which causes him to loose all his money. Now the rest of the family didn't make any mistake, but they will suffer from the father's mistake.
Now that they are destitute, their status in the community has changed. They now have to work harder to survive day to day. This doesn't mean the children inherit their father's mistake, but if they wish to reach the status they had before, they will have to work harder.
Adam lost everything because of his mistake, now we struggle day to day to survive and have to work harder to attain perfection.
I feel there is more to the Doctrine of Original Sin than just the increase of evil.

There are two ways of spreading light: to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it. -Edith Wharton

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purpledawn
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Message 86 of 103 (275121)
01-02-2006 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by ramoss
01-02-2006 6:39 PM


Re: Doctrine of Original Sin
You did a better job of explaining than I did.

There are two ways of spreading light: to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it. -Edith Wharton

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