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Author Topic:   Original Sin
berberry
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Message 1 of 103 (174298)
01-06-2005 3:40 AM


This is the doctrine which dictates that all human beings are born into sin. Growing up in the Episcopal Church my idea was that OS meant simply that children were born into a world of wrongdoing and would inevitably do wrong, or sin, themselves once they reached the age that they were able to make reasoned choices.
On that level the doctrine seems harmless enough because it's true. The trouble is that more evangelical faiths have what seems to me a more sinister interpretation - that we are all born sinners and thus never have a true period of innocence. I think it is this view that is consistent with crackpot notions of God's wrath brought to bear on tens if not hundreds of thousands of children in the recent Indian Ocean tsunami, or any other disaster for that matter.
The Catholics have a kinder, gentler view unless I'm mistaken (and I could be): I think they see OS as something like the first of what will be many stains on one's soul, a stain inherited from Adam and Eve. I read the article on their website but it seems to ramble and never really gives one a sense of just what the doctrine is.
My questions are these: what is original sin, why is it a necessary belief to the Chritian experience and is it, like other sins, washed away by the blood of Jesus? Further, if it is washed away by the blood of Jesus, why is it brought up in the first place? Once a child is old enough to ask Jesus for forgiveness wouldn't the original sin then be washed away?
If this topic is promoted my suggestion would be the 'Faith & Belief' Forum.

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berberry
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Message 14 of 103 (174725)
01-07-2005 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Abshalom
01-07-2005 12:00 PM


Re: OS = Excuses
That's a definition that makes sense to me, Abshalom. I particularly like your statement:
quote:
OS was repeated by the second generation when Cain asked, "Am I my brother's keeper?"
Pleasant thought though it is, I wonder where in scripture you find justification for it?

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berberry
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Message 17 of 103 (174947)
01-08-2005 3:38 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Phat
01-07-2005 8:41 AM


Where have I heard this one before?
Phatboy writes:
quote:
I always was taught and assumed that Adam was disobedient rather than deceived. He listened to Eve instead of God.
Well I don't much like that explanation but it must have been a clever man who came up with it: "Well, yeah, I reckon I shud'na dun it, but 'is Eve's fault fer comin up wif the idear."
I always thought that one the reasons Shakespeare's character Macbeth was so intriguing was because he never blamed Lady Macbeth for his own failings, even though he might have had more cause to do so than did Adam for blaming Eve.

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berberry
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Message 40 of 103 (175401)
01-10-2005 3:34 AM


I Want New & Improved Sin!
I would like to get back to the topic of original sin. I was particularly interested in the dialogue about whether Adam, Eve or God was ultimately responsible for OS. Looks to me like God was most at fault for proposing this silly test about a tree in the first place. What was he thinking? Can we speculate?
The only explanation I can think of would be that God was bored and decided to put a little spark into the lives of these dreary, robotic, do-gooding airheads. After all, he needed for them to have kids (sons, to be exact, births of daughters are never mentioned in the bible), didn't he? Since they hadn't been married, and everyone knows that having sex outside of marriage is a sin, God had to have some way to get them to start thinking about getting their freak on.
And thus we have original sin.

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