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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
quote: Out of curiosity, what exactly is the correct context under which it makes sense for Jesus to be crucified both before and after dinner? "Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river." -Anya
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
quote: Didn't Schraf already do that? Regardless:
Mk.15:25 And it was the third hour, and they crucified him. Jn.19:14-16And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. If you'd like more, feel free to visit this website.
quote: Yeah, Mom's maiden name was Kleinberg. I had to sit through a bunch of seders as a kid. So what? "Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river." -Anya
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Word.
"Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river." -Anya
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
quote: I understand that passover takes place over the course of eight days. (Although it should be noted that the seder, the actual Passover supper, does not.) But one passage clearly states that he was taken away to be crucified at the sixth hour, and the other states that he was crucified three hours before that. More to the point, the passage from John clearly identifies Jesus as being taken away for crucifixion before passover. (ie, during the preperations.) So how could he have shared this last supper, a passover seder, with his disciples, when he was being carted off for crucifixion?
quote: I wasn't aware that I was. I'm sorry that you interpreted it that way. But trust me, when I'm being rude, there are long strings of profanity involved. But I'm still curious as to what your point was in bringing up that Jews celebrate passover. "Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river." -Anya
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
quote: Yes. That would have to be the case. But neither passage pertains to his death, so I fail to see the relevance. Again, very simply: how could he be crucified several hours before he was brought in? And again, how could he be crucified both before and after the seder? The only way I can see is if it takes place between two seders, but the passage from John eliminates that possibility. It specifically identifies the whole affair as happening before passover. "Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river." -Anya
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
quote: I'm afraid I have to assume that you're intentionally not listening. If this passover meal occurred, then John is incorrect. It is not logically possible that both are true.
quote: 1) What is this evidence? 2) There is evidence that the American Civil War happened. It does not logically follow that Gone With the Wind is a factual accounting of real events.
quote: All 330 of them? Is there anything more to support this idea, other than a sweeping statement that they "are not true contradictions"?
quote: And again... what possible context is there under which... oh, let's pick one off the list at random... Ah. Under what possible context can it be true that the tomb was both open and closed when the women arrived at the sepulchre? (Lk 24:2 and Mt 28:2) "Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river." -Anya
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
quote: The Jewish day runs from sundown to sundown. The evening before the first day of passover is the beginning of Passover. The meal referred to above would have been the first seder.
quote: So if it happened before they arrived, who saw it, and was able to relate it to the authors of the Bible?
quote: Bit of a cop-out, isn't it? "Trust me they've been disproved. No need to go into them."
quote: Uh... even if there were no contradictions, why would that be a reason to believe? To use an example from a previous post, Gone With the Wind is pretty solid on continuity, but I'd still be pretty dissapointed if I tried to find Rhett Butler's grave. "Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river." -Anya
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
quote: So how does this authorship work, exactly? I was under the impression that the gospels were supposed to be tales of eyewitness accounts, not divine transcription, direct from the mouth of God.
quote: Uh... guy, links to very user-friendly explanations of evidence for evolution have been posted several times on this thread alone.
quote: If you're going to claim that there are no contradictions in the bible... well, yeah. Because there's a big fat list of them that say you're wrong. I'm sorry there are so many, but the fact that backing up your statement is so daunting a task might not be something you want to throw around in defense of your position.
quote: I'm happy to go into others with you, sure. But I already posted them up. If you want to argue against them, ball's in your court. Pick one, let's get cracking. I was simply saying that a blanket statement that the rest can be refuted doesn't cut it.
quote: This is fallacious. For instance, let me tell you a story.
I Am God, by Dan Carroll I am God. The End.
Copyright 2004 Dan Carroll Productions. Reprinted with permission of the author. Furthermore, I claim that this story was written by Almighty God. (Me, as claimed in the story.) There are no logical inconsistencies in the story. Should it be taken more seriously as fact than any other story? Of course not. "Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river." -Anya
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