Does God Really Exist???

Heh heh. I love that show. Unfortunately, there's not a lot of quotable stuff, because it's all in the delivery.One of my absolute favorites:Xander: But... It's just that it's buggin' me, this "cool" thing. I mean, what is it? How do you get it? Who doesn't have it? And who decides who doesn't have it? What is the essence of cool?
Oz: Not sure.
Xander: I mean, you yourself, Oz, are considered more or less cool. Why is that?
Oz: Am I?
Xander: Is it about the talking? You know, the way you tend to express yourself in short, noncommittal phrases?
Oz: Could be.Bah, still at least three months until season 6 is out on DVD...[This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 02-20-2004]

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"Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river."
-Anya

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(Mat 7:1-5): Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.... etc.

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You , to clarify, do you believe that one may judge others just so long as one doesn't mind being judged oneself?...because that's what the passage means.

Well, yes.. basically. But can't just take it like that.
If you look Bible, you have to look it as a whole.And then after that verse..
" "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. "You have to remove the plank, when you have removed the plank.. you would realize that you could do anyting. So you would leave them to the authorities and not judge them yourself. And also it says brother. (The one with removing speck)
(My oppinion)
Ofcourse I could be wrong.. what are you suggesting, schrafinator?

Yes I believe we were. I was confusing you with being the same as another member. It seems there are two different members. I don't remember you saying anything abou it. I may have not even seen your post.[This message has been edited by CreationMan, 02-20-2004]

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"The Fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God'"Creation Man

That is not a sexist comment. The term "he" or "he's" is a general term that refers to person, not to gender. I refuse to be politically correct. Clearly no one shares in my hUmor. I'll refrain from the spelling mistakes. Intersting assertion, but you failed to provide an example. I was in no way trying to claim credit for that material. As a stated in a later post I posted that to reply to Dan Caroll who I did not have time to reply to because I was late for work.
As for the reference, one of your young lady admins posted the sources for me. Those are questions...how do you provide proof for questions? Cause and effect is a Sci law. The rest is me explaining my position and what I believe. Sure...Drive to a local brick factory and drop a bomb on it and let me know what happens. Explosions in Chemistry generate heat and ultimately contribute to the degredation of the organisms. No scientific test has ever shown an explosion to produce ANY form of life. (Miller experiments didn't produce life) So the burden of proof is on YOU not me. Unfortunately my job puts demands on my time and I am unable to reply to EVERY point made by EVERY member. I posted a supstantially large email in reply to Dan Carroll (sp?). I know in some member's opinions I have not succeed, but niether am I finished with this thread.

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"The Fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God'"Creation Man

The Big Bang isn't an explosion, by the way. So your position about explosions is kind of a strawman, isn't it?

It was in Post 98 and in the future I suggest simply looking for the avatar -- it kinda sticks out. No, it's not. Cause and effect are macroscopic approximations of the aggregate effect of millions of probablistic quantum events. No, the rest was a bare assertion. You stated it as though it were fact. If you do not have the support to establish as a fact, it is disingenuous and against forum rules to state it as such. This is not evidence that what you've described is impossible -- only that it is improbable. What would prevent it from ever happening as you've asserted? This is so disingenuous it makes me angry. You can't simply come in here throwing around bald assertions without a modicum of support and then insist that YOU don't have any burden to prove them. Then I suggest you cease with the horse hockey splatter gun approach and focus on one or two specific issues at a time.

There are actually several different takes on the big bang. Everything from explosion to expansion and Enstien's relativity. So which one are we debating?

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"The Fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God'"Creation Man

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So which one are we debating?

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I thought we were debating whether or not there was a God. You seem to have been arguing for the existence of God on the premise that it's impossible for the universe to exist without him.The presence of several different theories as to how the universe would be possible without God would seem to make your task harder.

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"Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river."
-Anya

I just wanted to make sure you weren't implying that the passage you quoted said that it was wrong to judge. It just means that if one chooses to judge others, one should expect to be subjected to judgement as well.I also agree that The Bible needs to be taken as a whole. That's why isolated Bible quotes are not very useful.

That's why isolated Bible quotes are not very useful.
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But I wrote this:
(Mat 7:1-5): Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.... etc.I wrote it with "...." and with "etc", but I quess you are right. I could miss-lead people with that, sorry..my bad.
And thanks for telling me.Best wishes.

Considering giving it a temporary closing, to let thing cool off, and to let people consider was has been said so far.BUT, will leave open for now.People, be calm,
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When I was young I had an experience which proved beyond any doubt that "God" is indeed a very real person. If the big bang theory is correct then God must have evolved. I can theorize with the best and rest of us but where is the evidence that there exists another planet with pre-sapien spirit hominids. God is a spirit. Were his ancestors spirits. Or did flesh evolve into spirit? If any of you saw what I've seen there would be no question at all "Does God exist?". There really are people in the universe who look just like us and live for thousands of years at the least, without any doubt. I have a question as well... How do the stars keep lit with flame if there is no oxygen in space? I am aware it is possible to start with 1 thing which produces enough of it's own fuel to make 2 of itself without extinguishing the first. This would mean though that there are stars which will burn forever. I am sure there are particles which aren't made of smaller particles. These stable particles don't break down at all even literally forever. It is wise to hypothesize yourself as one of these, anything less is a bit futile. I am sure there is a particle which is stable and doesn't break down and this is the basis for all other particles. If something were to travel faster than light would it be by nature invisible...if even for a while? If...if...hmmm.

This is off-topic but: Stars don't combust. They produce energy through the fusion of hydrogen nuclei into helium. This is a process that generates intense energy and requires no oxygen, because it's a nuclear reaction, not a chemical one.If you have more questions about stars you should take them to the astronomy topics.

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When I was young I had an experience which proved beyond any doubt that "God" is indeed a very real person.

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A person? Really?Where does He live?

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If the big bang theory is correct then God must have evolved.

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Really? Why?

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I can theorize with the best and rest of us but where is the evidence that there exists another planet with pre-sapien spirit hominids.

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Um, what, exactly, are pre-sapien spirit hominids?

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God is a spirit.

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I thought you said that God was a person.

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Were his ancestors spirits. Or did flesh evolve into spirit?

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Is there any way of knowing anything about the facts surrounding these questions? I don't think so.

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If any of you saw what I've seen there would be no question at all "Does God exist?".

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That's what everybody who believes says. The problem being, of course, that every person's experience of God is purely individual. I can't also look at what you saw to judge for myself about the existence of your God, so all we are left with is individual personal testimony. Fine for you, but utterly unconvincing for me.

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There really are people in the universe who look just like us and live for thousands of years at the least, without any doubt.

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Without any doubt? Any at all? Can you show us one of these thousands of years old people?