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hitchy
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Message 222 of 305 (88659)
02-25-2004 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by Stephen ben Yeshua
02-25-2004 4:00 PM


Near death experiences and sleep paralysis
Has your mind ever played tricks on you? Have you ever been talking to someone in your sleep and wake up to realize that you are just talking to yourself? Ever get that "weightless" feeling right before you fall asleep? Ever have a dream or a daydream that incorporates something that you do on a routine basis into an unusual or incomprehensible situation? Ever wake up and realize that you cannot move--it might only take a second, but it seems like forever? How about right before falling asleep or right after waking up, you see a spirit or an alien or become deathly afraid that the monster from the movie you just watched is in the corner or outside the window?
My point--weird things happen to you when you are not fully awake. It is like your brain is having a hard time realizing if it is still in dream mode or fully aware mode. I am sure there is a chemical explanation for this, like with how LSD or THC or mescalin affect the brain, causing the user to see colors, have distorted vision, etc. These altered mental states can also be brought about by disease, malnutrition, or dehydration. More than likely, a near death experience is just like sleep paralysis or some other altered mental state.
Evidence of heaven or hell? The images that the people have seen are just like the images they see in a dream or a dreamlike state, meaning that these images were in the brain somewhere already. Our brains have evolved to be "jump to conclusions" machines. In order to survive, our ancestors had to be able to react to many external stimuli without thinking too much about "whether that cave bear is going to eat me or not". We are still programmed that way. We tend to match strange occurances with things we think we already know without filtering the results first. If I have been told that people see a white light at the end of a tunnel or that they see a firey lake or a peaceful meadow when they die, subconsciously I will hold onto that notion and when I have a near death experience, my brain jumps me to one of those conclusions. Some people who have near death experiences want to believe very strongly that they are going to a better place or that death is not the end. In convincing themselves of this, these people experience it in dreams, during sleep paralysis, in near death experiences, and in other altered states of consciousness.
Some people might just be suffering from the "serial killer's grandmother syndrome".

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hitchy
Member (Idle past 5149 days)
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From: Southern Maryland via Pittsburgh
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Message 241 of 305 (89089)
02-27-2004 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 239 by nator
02-27-2004 10:46 AM


Not that a god/creator does/does not exist,...
...but is god worth arguing over. If a god does exist, then he/she/it is impreceptable in the natural world and we have no objective proof. If a god does exist and we can only claim to know this god subjectively, then we can choose whether to believe in him/her/it or not. I know you can say, "but god gave us free will", but that is still subjective. What happens if all of a sudden everyone agrees that a Christian god/creator does not exist? Same as if he/she/it does exist--nothing that we can preceive. Sure, people would react to the idea, but their reactions would be based in their free will.
If I say that we are doomed to responsibility for our actions and that we are absolutely free to do whatever we choose to do, then we are damned to freedom. You can say that my beliefs are subjective, but I wouldn't argue that they weren't. So, naturally, I would say that an omnipotent creator would be the exact antithesis of free will. Therefore, there is no god b/c I have no choice but to have freedom to do whatever I want. Granted, I have to keep in mind the consequences, which could include a whole lot of nasty shit if I am wrong about a personal god. But guess what? It doesn't matter to me. It is not that god exists/doesn't exist, it is whether a personal god is relevant or not.

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