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Author Topic:   Can we be 100% sure there is/isn't a God?
Paul
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Message 59 of 110 (38789)
05-02-2003 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Mister Pamboli
05-02-2003 11:30 AM


Her?
The material universes were created by God to be inhabited with intelligent, free moral agents, to whom God could reveal himself, and who would enjoy His infinite blessings and goodness through a personal relationship with Him.
All miracles have the same purpose, that being to manifest the glory of God(Jn.2:11), as to both draw mankind unto himself, as well as develop a deeper belief, respect and commitment to Him.
Yes God has a will. What was described above has been revealed as part of that will and plan for the ages. However, mankind has been given a free will and is a free morale agent, and it is quite obvious that choices are made within that free will that are nothing but presumptuous Sinful acts, done wilfully and deliberately against light, law and conscience. The onus for acts of sin is Not Gods. The question is not whether it's God's responsibility to intervene in matters, but, why is mankind the only species that is so pathetically addicted to making wilful and deliberate sinful choices, such has been described by you ?? The answer lies within the individual free will itself. Is it wicked or is it good? That's a choice that's made by the person that owns it, Not God. God is the giver of free wills, not the controller of them. Wickedness is a manifestation of choices made from within the free will and since God has no control over the free will and turns his face from sin, I see it then as very difficult for God to intervene in situations, even ones as you have described.
When the awesome Orca risks its own life and rushes the beach to capture and kill a seal pup, is that survival or murder? It's survival of course! When a 45 year old man captures, rapes and kills a 9 year old boy, is that survival? No It shows a deeply depraved species with a free will that's racked with Sin, and desperately needs forgiveness and a Spiritual transformation from the Living God.
The ball is Not in Gods court, it's in ours... Whether we like it or not, all Humans are Spirit beings with a free will.
The Human species and the spiritual state we see that it is in, is total proof that God exists and our desperate need of him.
A hard topic indeed... Keep truckin Flamingo
Respectfully, Paul.

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Paul
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Message 71 of 110 (38857)
05-03-2003 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Mister Pamboli
05-02-2003 7:50 PM


You have not answered my question Mister P.
Once again....Why is the Human species the "only" one that is pathetically addicted to committing wilful and deliberate acts that go totally against light, law and conscience??
And please, since you do not believe in God, any reference to God would be both unnecessary and irrelevant then at this point.
Respectfully, Paul.

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Paul
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Message 74 of 110 (38883)
05-03-2003 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Mister Pamboli
05-03-2003 4:21 PM


It's a hard question to answer I know, especially from the position you place yourself in... Perhaps another time you would like to address it and if you need a new thread to do it, thats fine also.
Respectfully, Paul.

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Paul
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Message 75 of 110 (38884)
05-03-2003 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Coragyps
05-03-2003 11:49 AM


The behavioral differences we are refering to between Human and all other species, are blatant and extreme. What you have described does not answer the question at hand.
Respectfully, Paul.

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