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Author Topic:   Here be my problem with "God"
Rrhain
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Message 23 of 106 (69530)
11-27-2003 1:33 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Trump won
11-26-2003 10:50 PM


messenjaH writes:
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just doing good deeds does not either. Actions speak louder than words.
You do realize that the latter statement directly contradicts the former, yes?
Actions speak louder than words which means that good deeds does it.
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WWJD? JWRTFM!

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Rrhain
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Message 26 of 106 (69938)
11-29-2003 7:52 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Trump won
11-29-2003 7:20 PM


messenjaH responds to me:
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Not alone.
Then we're back to the original question:
Suppose there is somebody that has been heinous throughout his entire life but has a revelation just before he dies and never has a chance to do a single good deed.
What happens to him?
And how does one justify that treatment to someone who has been angelic all his life but for whatever reason never accepts Jesus?
What happens to him?
It would seem you are saying that neither of these people get to heaven as what is required is both doing good deeds and accepting Jesus. Is that what you're saying?
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Rrhain
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Message 30 of 106 (70026)
11-30-2003 3:30 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Trump won
11-29-2003 9:36 PM


messenjaH responds to me:
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You answered your own question.
But my answer was that people who are heinous and make a deathbed conversion don't get to heaven. That's the only way to be fair to those who are angelic but for whatever reason don't believe in Jesus.
And yet, you said the following:
quote:
A man who accepts Christ at his dying hour goes to heaven.
So which is it?
If a person is heinous but at the last second repents, he gets to go to heaven? How is that fair to someone who does everything right but for whatever reason doesn't accept Jesus? There are people, after all, who have never heard of Jesus. Why do they get sent to hell?
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Some believe that if a man accepts Jesus as a young child then denies him as an adult, perhaps becomes atheist then he would still enter the kingdom of God. I'm not too sure if that works.
Logical error: Strawman.
Nobody is talking about having a conversion and then going off and doing horrible things. We're talking about doing horrible things and then having a conversion that happens before one has a chance to make restitution or do anything else, really.
If you have your revelation and then die, what happens? And how is that fair to someone who does everything right but never has the revelation?
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It doesn't matter how many good deeds you do if you trust in Jesus Christ as your savior. But if you do none then you obviously aren't true.
Weren't you pounding into the ground the claim that "nobody is perfect" in the thread about the "ultimate gift"?
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*Different meaning of the word work(s).
Ah, so you're equivocating. Another logical error, I'm afraid.
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Side note: I don't have all the answers
But what makes you think you have this answer?
And if you don't, why are you acting as if you do? Isn't bearing false witness a sin?
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Rrhain
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Rrhain
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Message 34 of 106 (70206)
12-01-2003 2:58 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Trump won
11-30-2003 1:54 PM


So which is it, messenjaH?
Does the angel get to heaven despite not accepting Jesus or does the devil get there simply for doing so?
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Rrhain
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Rrhain
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From: San Diego, CA, USA
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Message 36 of 106 (70429)
12-01-2003 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Trump won
12-01-2003 9:29 PM


messenjaH responds to me:
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Refer back to the message you just replied to. Thank you.
Refer back to Message 34 that was a reply to that message.
Thank you.
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Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

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Rrhain
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Message 38 of 106 (70441)
12-01-2003 9:57 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Trump won
12-01-2003 9:49 PM


messenjaH responds to me:
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I blatantly said my answer
Your answer contradicted itself and didn't actually say anything.
You said they were equal and then said that the "one who misses the truth falters." So, which one is missing the truth? Obviously, they're not equal, so which is it?
Do they both go to heaven? Do they both go to hell? Does one go and the other not and if that final, why that one and not the other?
quote:
are you just emphasizing the choices to make me look bad?
No, I'm emphasizing the choices in order to make you be direct and come right out and say it. I'm emphasizing the choices in order to make you put your money where your mouth is.
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You can't be serious.
I most certainly am.
If a person who is perfect in all ways except that, for whatever reason, does not accept Jesus dies, does he go to heaven?
If a person who is reprehensible in all ways except that, just before he dies, he has a revelation and accepts Jesus, does he go to heaven?
You need to be specific. "They both get treated equally" is not an answer because it doesn't tell us what actually happens. Where are they? Individually.
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