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crashfrog
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Message 28 of 311 (162084)
11-21-2004 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by TheClashFan
11-21-2004 3:02 PM


But time is only an idea as well.
I disagree. Humans also invented yardsticks but that doesn't mean that height, width, and depth are illusions or inventions. Like time, they're very real properties of space. (Actually, spacetime.)

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crashfrog
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Message 30 of 311 (162087)
11-21-2004 3:19 PM
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11-21-2004 3:10 PM


Aha, but measurements are only as long as we say they are.
Uh, yes. Obviously. So what? A second is only as long as we say it is.
But it doesn't matter if I measure the distance between New York and London in miles, or you do it in kilometers. We're both measuring the same thing; the amount of space between New York and London exists, and is very real.

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crashfrog
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Message 104 of 311 (185943)
02-16-2005 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by simple
02-16-2005 3:52 PM


If anything, they would be more responsible, because they realize Someone is watching!
So, why aren't they?
Why the higher rate of divorces among believers? Why are atheists so under-represented in prisons?

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crashfrog
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Message 110 of 311 (185978)
02-16-2005 6:39 PM
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02-16-2005 4:57 PM


It doesn't mean a science forum is an excuse for ganging up on someone's faith.
Honestly? If elements of your faith would butt out of science, you wouldn't see this happening. But as long as a major movement within your faith demands that its fairy tales be advanced on the same scientific footing as genuine research, you're going to see the backlash.
Clean house before you accuse us of "ganging up on your faith." Quite frankly, your faith is the one that started it.
It wasn't what they claimed to believe that was bad, but their real beliefs and actions.
Which was what I was talking about. Why do the people who believe in God have worse real actions in spite of their supposed better real beliefs?

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crashfrog
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Message 113 of 311 (186153)
02-17-2005 10:40 AM
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02-17-2005 12:19 AM


The ones I know don't.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
Don't be fooled by the clothes, or claims, but look at what their actions say more.
I'm telling you what their actions say. Their actions say that those who believe in God are less likely to act responsibly.

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