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TheClashFan Inactive Member |
From what my science teachers have told me, the Big Bang was when a small grouping of hydrogen and whatnot exploded. I am sure that that was not the only thing that happened, but here is my question. Before the Big Bang, what was there?
Understand that I am a Creationist, and a young one, but still, it seems to me that the grouping had to be IN something before it exploded and made the universe. Speaking of which, that means that the universe is IN something, correct? The Big Bang theory to me makes little sense since science can say little and prove little, though I don't doubt that the farther you go into space, the father back in time you go. Does anyone have an answer or comment to this? Better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.
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AdminAsgara Administrator (Idle past 2302 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: |
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5907 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
TheClashFan
Well the big bang is doubtless a poor choice of words since the event is hardly like any explosion that you may be familiar with.The evidence is fairly good though there is much work to do to work out the full meachanisms and likely will be for a long time. . Before the Big Bang, what was there? This is the question that is hotly debated and much work is going into resolving this.However the common concern is the validity of asking what happened before the BB since space and time are inextricably linked as space-time.This means that spacetime did not exist before the BB so it becomes meaningless to talk about the time concept of before since no event in the time sense occured until the BB.
Understand that I am a Creationist, and a young one, but still, it seems to me that the grouping had to be IN something before it exploded and made the universe. This is a common misconception because the something you consider us to be 'in' also is a part of the BB.Everything in the universe space-time and everything in it included did not exist before the BB but rather came into existence at the point of origin of the BB. When you look at the stars you are also looking back in time due to the speed of light being limited.Since space and time are linked together the greater the distance the farther back in time you see.When we look further back we find that the universe follows in stages from simpler{far out} to more complex{closer}as we would expect of a universe that came from this big bang.
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TheClashFan Inactive Member |
Yes, my IPS teacher says that everything there is now was in the big bang grouping, but it is still difficult to picture a grouping of elements without it being in something. Thank you for answering, however.
Better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.
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Itachi Uchiha Member (Idle past 5614 days) Posts: 272 From: mayaguez, Puerto RIco Joined: |
The big bang and the genesis creation let us know that before either of them happpened space-time itself didn't exist. For creationists that believe in eternal life we know that there's another dimension thats spiritual thats outside of our space-time universe. It's the realm of God,Satan , angels, demons etc. For evos, especially those that do not believe in the other dimension, are the ones that can get to a lot of different theories by the interpretation of their data. We should let the debate of what was before the big bang to them since we already have our beliefs
Ponlo todo en las manos de Dios y que se joda el mundo. El principio de la sabiduria es el temor a Jehova
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TheClashFan Inactive Member |
I never thought of it in the manner. What an interesting perspective to have sprititual beings in another dimension. Thank you very much for such an interesting insight on it.
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Itachi Uchiha Member (Idle past 5614 days) Posts: 272 From: mayaguez, Puerto RIco Joined: |
Remember that god's dimension is outside our 3d physical world. Its something like a 6d universe we cant comprehend. I'm sure you have taken basic math courses where they have explained to you what functions are. We graph function so that we can understand what they mean better. We see a graph in 2d or 3d and we can understand whats going on because they correspond to our dimension or a lower dimension. We can never see or even begin to understand a coordinate system with more than three dimensions so we are limeted. If God is in a 6d universe (this is just an example i'm not proclaiming that God lives in 6d world) he can see and understand coordinate systems of 2,3,4,5, and 6 dimensions but since we are limited to three we cant see or understand anything outside these three. So therefore we cant see God
Ponlo todo en las manos de Dios y que se joda el mundo. El principio de la sabiduria es el temor a Jehova
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5907 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
jazzlover_PR
For creationists that believe in eternal life we know that there's another dimension thats spiritual thats outside of our space-time universe You know nothing of the sort! You assume or place faith in such but you do not know.Without your belief that something is beyond this world your arguement falls apart and I would maintain that by this reasoning it is all in your head. "Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color." --Don Hirschberg
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TheClashFan Inactive Member |
I have only taken Algebra 1, but from what you have explained, it makes perfect sense. My mum says that your right and that she remembers reading somewhere in the Bible about God being in a place not where we are.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5907 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
jazzlover_PR
Remember that god's dimension is outside our 3d physical world. Just to correct a mistake here we exist in a four dimensional world.Three dimension of space and one of time all linked together.
We can never see or even begin to understand a coordinate system with more than three dimensions Really? We can only specify the position of an airplane in flight by 4 dimensions.
If God is in a 6d universe (this is just an example i'm not proclaiming that God lives in 6d world) he can see and understand coordinate systems of 2,3,4,5, and 6 dimensions but since we are limited to three we cant see or understand anything outside these three. So therefore we cant see God. Since you cannot understand or see anything outside of our universe then how would you explain you assertions that a god does exist that you can neither see nor understand?
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TheClashFan Inactive Member |
We know in our hearts. The hearts that belive in God even when we cannot always see or hear Him. Again, beliving is rarely seeing.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5907 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
I will ask you the same question I asked of jazzlover then.What do you mean by "in our hearts"?
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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 750 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
You know nothing of the sort! You assume or place faith in such but you do not know.Without your belief that something is beyond this world your arguement falls apart and I would maintain that by this reasoning it is all in your head. Sidelined, how do you KNOW that we are having this conversation? If you cannot explain to me how you KNOW that we are having this converstaion, I maintain that this whole world you believe to be real is all in your "head".
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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 750 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
Since you cannot understand or see anything outside of our universe then how would you explain you assertions that a god does exist that you can neither see nor understand? Are you still continuing with this silly argument? What do you mean by "outside" our universe when outside deals with space? Just because God has "access" to an infinite number of dimensions He wishes to create, does not mean he cannot reveal himself to us in our known dimensions. Your statement itself holds three assertions:1) God is unable to "enter" the dimensions he created for us, 2) We cannot know ANYTHING about God if we cannot know EVERYTHING about God, and 3) God has never in the past and will never reveal himself to anyone. None of these you can prove.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5907 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Hangdawg
Sidelined, how do you KNOW that we are having this conversation? If you cannot explain to me how you KNOW that we are having this converstaion, I maintain that this whole world you believe to be real is all in your "head". I am not the one claiming to know something my good man.However,if you wish please start a thread that we may persue the topic please do so.The admins are probably tiring of the topic drift and it is better to take this elsewhere OK?
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