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Vacate
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Message 166 of 311 (410238)
07-13-2007 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by ICANT
07-13-2007 9:32 PM


Re: Nothing Before the Big Bang
What conclusion can I come too other than something came from nothing.
My first question, and I believe this is what the other posters are trying to convey, is when are you referring to? At what point are you looking for "something"?

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Vacate
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Message 169 of 311 (410244)
07-13-2007 10:25 PM
Reply to: Message 167 by ICANT
07-13-2007 9:57 PM


Re: Nothing Before the Big Bang
Doesn't matter just tell me at what moment "something" began to exist.
The question I asked is important though. How can you conclude that something came from nothing when it has not been said that the "something" came from anything. At what point do you see a problem, and therefore feel that "something came from nothing"?
Nosey said it well:
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The entirety of what we know as our universe was in a very, very hot and dense state.
All I see from this comment is that there is a something. When is it that your at odds with?

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Vacate
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Message 174 of 311 (410272)
07-14-2007 3:35 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by ICANT
07-13-2007 11:15 PM


Re: Nothing Before the Big Bang
Was it there before the big bang or one planck time after the big bang.
If Big Bang is the start of everything that science can study, or T=0, then there is no before big bang. To answer the question is not scientific. (NosyNed has brought up that science may be able to probe further back, though this makes no sense to me - I am not a physicist.)
I do not believe that the singularity is the result of something from nothing. My faith/belief/imagination is that this universe was and is simply a part of a greater number of such universes. Or perhaps God got the ball rolling? The safest answer at this time would be "we don't know", but this still does not mean something came from nothing.
If there was something there to get the universe out of, then we have the problem of where that something came from etc.
Thats where you and I can let our imaginations go. Science, so far at least, has no say in the matter.
**Sorry for the poor wording of my posts, I was hoping to approach it from a different angle. Finding the right words to approach something so bizarre left me struggling to make my point

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Vacate
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Message 254 of 311 (413444)
07-30-2007 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 253 by ICANT
07-30-2007 9:57 PM


Re: more on singularities
General relativity demands, a super massive star dies and all matter gets crushed out of existence at the singularity.
With everything crushed out of existence that would leave an absence of anything.
I can see how you would read it that way, but obviously there is a mistake in your understanding or perhaps a mistake in the wording. There is more than "nothing" in a black hole, the extreme gravity that prevents light from escaping suggests otherwise.
Hawking does not believe that black holes "leave an absence of anything" - He even suggests a way for black holes to "evaporate" (Hawking Radiation)
ABE: Actually, I don't know what Hawking "believes". What I believe is that Hawking as a whole does not suggest a black hole is an absence of anything.
Edited by Vacate, : No reason given.

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