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tsig
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Message 13 of 110 (252123)
10-16-2005 7:54 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Nuggin
10-15-2005 12:06 AM


Laughing
Obviously defense is never gonna get us there. So, what's our game plan?
Have you ever considered the difference between the belief in bigfoot and the belief in god?
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tsig
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Message 16 of 110 (252198)
10-16-2005 2:38 PM
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10-16-2005 2:25 PM


Re:Bigfeet
Bigfoot is plausible.
There is physical evidence (dubious as it may be) for bigfoot.
You can't just have a Bigfoot, you have to have a whole species. Why don't the true believers just use some thermal scanners and provide evidence.
For further discussion how about a topic " Are there Bigfeet?"

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tsig
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Message 17 of 110 (252199)
10-16-2005 2:39 PM
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10-16-2005 2:21 PM


Bigfeet
see reply to C.

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tsig
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Message 23 of 110 (252305)
10-17-2005 12:19 AM
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10-16-2005 11:06 PM


Re: Re:Bigfeet
Sounds like a good topic to me!
Toss it up.

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tsig
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Message 36 of 110 (253136)
10-19-2005 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Heathen
10-18-2005 8:08 PM


etiquette
I felt maybe there should be some etiquette involved if you decide to no longer take part in a discussion. make your reasons clear and bow out.
I agree! Leaving someone or many somones hanging is bad form. there are may polite ways to exit.
IMO the creos are by far the worst offenders.
I DO NOT understand why the Mods don't call them when they declare thier closed minds.

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tsig
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Message 45 of 110 (253205)
10-19-2005 8:34 PM
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10-19-2005 5:31 PM


Re: etiquette
Please expand on this. What does it look like when someone declares their mind to be closed, and what does it mean for a moderator to call them on it?
I've had similar thoughts, but I haven't given it "air-time" to think in depth. I'd appreciate your thoughts.
Just saw this; baseball playoff starting so I will have a reply later.
Thanks!

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tsig
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Message 48 of 110 (253502)
10-20-2005 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Ben!
10-19-2005 6:45 PM


A closed mind can only be opened from within
Please expand on this. What does it look like when someone declares their mind to be closed, and what does it mean for a moderator to call them on it?
I've had similar thoughts, but I haven't given it "air-time" to think in depth. I'd appreciate your thoughts.
Ben
Hi Ben
It always looks to me like they crawled into a hole and pulled the dirt in behind them, eyes closed, hands over their ears singing la-la-la.
When a poster declares that they will cling to their beliefs, regardless of facts, evidence or logic, this is a closed mind and a direct violation of rule four of the Forum
Guidelines(4.Points should be supported with evidence and/or reasoned argumentation).
The moderator should remind them of this fact and that they agreed to the rules and must now abide by them to remain a member.
That’s the easy answer, in the real world it might not be so cut and dried, however, after reading thousands of call and response posts I question the wisdom allowing posters to drone on and on with the same tired arguments.Separating the wheat from the chaff becomes a chore and some of the real scientists that do instead of talk may not consider it worth their time.
Is this a debate board, or a sounding board?
I know that Percy is the final arbiter, but I couldn’t resist that final flourish.

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Message 49 of 110 (253506)
10-20-2005 7:09 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Larni
10-19-2005 7:01 AM


Danger, Danger Will Robinson
Challenging the belief is like challenging their personal qualities.
It can go much deeper than that.
When someone’ s faith is so entwined with their view of reality that the see the word only thru the eyes of belief, then to challenge that belief is to ask them to do a 180 degree turn and embrace all that they have detested and reject all they have held good. They feel you are asking them to burn the flag and spit in Mom’s apple pie.
The response can be violent.

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tsig
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Message 51 of 110 (253519)
10-20-2005 7:40 PM
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10-20-2005 7:18 PM


Re: Danger, Danger Will Robinson
It is rare that a person's beliefs are a bunch of interchangeable modules that can be individually lifted out and replaced.
As a former fundamentalist, I can attest that often a person's entire set of beliefs are intertwined and interconnected, and one cannot simply change one "small part" of her beliefs without ripping huge holes in everything else.
For a Christian literalist, it is not as simple as simply believing that Genesis is literal history and then believing that Genesis is metaphor. To go from one belief to another can be the intellectual and emotional equivalent of a stroke; one is left having to learn how to move all over again.
Of course, that's why we see the turn logical backflips without a net to keep thier skein of belief intact.
Not all reactions are passive; on some of the other fora, the wish to kill is often expressed.
Sounds like a real Damscus experience!lol
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tsig
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Message 53 of 110 (253540)
10-20-2005 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Chiroptera
10-20-2005 8:36 PM


Facts, what are facts?
Seeing some people react against clear and indisputable fact does remind me of the Star Trek episode where they blow the brains out of a super computer with the phrase, "This sentence is a lie."
But your facts are merely your interpetation of what you observe, my interpetation of what I observe is differint than yours, so I win. (waves hands, runs away)
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