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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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One summer afternoon
Have you ever stuck a stick in a fireant mound? The ants swarm out, literally thousands of them, and attack whatever is threatening the mound. Are they concious? Once my folk lived in a pre-Civil War, fieldstone house that sat on one of the Catoctin Mountains just north of Camp David. We lived off an old dirt (at the time) road that wandered up one side of the mountain and down the other. About 500 yards from the house was Turkey Run, a clear little stream that had it's origin in a spring loacted near the peak of the mountain, and was home to some of the best tasting Native Trout I've ever had the pleasure of meeting. That is, they tasted great until my sister decided they were pets and started hand feeding them bread balls from the overhanging rock that fronted one side of the pool just below the little falls. From then on they were inviolate, not to be touched, only fed and admired. They would come up for her and nibble dough from her hand, but when any of the others of us showed up, they darted into the deep shadows below the rock. Were they concious?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: One summer afternoon
They may or may not be, since consciousness is not based on anything physical. Why do you think that?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: One summer afternoon
Biology.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: One summer afternoon
Not at all. But you are dealing with objects that are somewhat more complex than a photon.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: One summer afternoon
absolutely. And the sum of the parts is more than the individual parts.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: One summer afternoon
And would you agree that a composition of individual parts cannot do anything that the parts themselves do not allow for? No, of course not.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: One summer afternoon
I hope you understand that I was not agreeing with your statement.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: One summer afternoon
Before we can get there, we need to smooth out what you're saying.
individual parts didn't allow to occur. What does that mean?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: One summer afternoon
Again with the word allow. That seems to imply permission. But a photon cannot write a CD. What is there about conciousness that you think would not be similar?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: One summer afternoon
Hey, I thought you were suppost to be on my side anyway. Now you are arguing like an athiest. Whooops! Big Time. What in the hell do you mean "arguing like an atheist?" Do you think there is some Atheist/Theologist slant to all this? If so, you have a lot more to learn than just physics and biology.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: One summer afternoon
I say they can't do anything that is not possible by the interactions of those individual parts. And what is it about conciousness that you find impossible?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: One summer afternoon
No, I just want to make sure you understand that there are many religious folk, Christians even, that are working to resolve the issue of conciousness. And many Christians, like myself, so far see no problems with conciousness being a purely physical construct.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: One summer afternoon
But you have not provided any reason for that to be true. All you've done is make an assertion.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: One summer afternoon
There you go off into nonsense again. You do not know whatI believe.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: One summer afternoon
again, that's simply an assertion. You need to show that conciousness is not just the sum of firing neurons.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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