The Brand New Birther Thread

The other point, of course, is to deny the legitimacy of the election. I have no doubt that racism is in the mix, but many on the Right want an exclusive lock on power and will not accept defeat.And that is how we know that the Right presents the real threat of a Facist tyranny in the U.S.

Deny legitimacy by making the President look blacker?And then 8 years later almost nominate a candidate that openly admits he wasn't born in the US?I don't see how that works.

Deny the legitimacy of the election by claiming that the winning candidate was ineligible.Ignore it when the same rule would eliminate their favoured candidate because only the results matter to them. The reasoning is just an excuse.It's not hard to understand.

The point is that there is no rule to ignore. Even if Obama was born in Kenya, it wouldn't make him ineligible. So why use it?

There is no rule other than the one in their heads, and I have already explained why they used it.

But that would not be reading it literally, because that is not what it literally says. Good point, apart from the fact that it's complete bollocks.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

There are other rules, and they are called the rules of US law. Those are the laws that they claimed Obama had run afoul. I don't remember them claiming Obama had violated the laws that only exist in their heads.What is the other consistent attack they have used? They claim that Obama is Muslim. Obviously, being a Muslim does not make a candidate ineligible, so why use this attack?

Have you not read the Constitution?

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The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; and can under no condition be a Muslim.

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Obviously they can't - or more likely don't care to - distinguish between the actual law and the law they've made up.And as for the whole "Muslim" business, well they mostly hate Mslims so to them it's a smear. It seems rather redundant to ask why they would try to smear Obama. It's what they do.

Oh, and here (PDF) is a case where evidence was presented. And rejected as worthless.

Even a claim of hoax can be a hoax. "Fake news" was first used by Communist China against dissenters, which is pretty much how it's being used now in America too. It takes more than just saying so to prove it, as you all keep telling me. In any case I think there's quite enough genuine evidence against Obama to prove he was born in Kenya.I have to answer personal accusations again just for the record. I don't HATE Obama, what I hate is Marxism, Anti-Americanism, and other destructive totalitarian ideologies, and Obama happens to be both a Marxist and a Muslim, Islam being a totalitarian ideology. (To whoever asked why anyone objects to his being a Muslim anyway, I was answering someone who adamantly insisted he's not a Muslim.)My objections to Obama and the rest of the Left are political, not personal. The Left on the other hand seems to like to make everything personal, answer arguments with ad hominems, the currently most PC being "racist" and "xenophobic," which just as a matter of fact hardly ever fit the target anyway, it's all said for effect. Like the last item on Alinsky's Rules for Radicals: don't attack institutions, attack people, because people hurt, institutions don't. Which is a reversal of centuries of civilized rules of discourse that allow for personal respect even for an opponent whose views you abominate. I'm not a racist or a xenophobe, or any of the rest of the PC epithets, my responses are all about what people think and do, not anything about who they are personally. (But you do have to be a natural-born citizen of the US to run for President).

As I recall I read a defense of Cruz as eligible despite his Canadian citizenship so I stopped worrying about it. Yes I might not have been as ready if someone says the same about Obama because I know Obama to be a Marxist out to undermine America, whereas I know Cruz has America's interests at heart. Again, nothing to do with race, everything to do with ideology.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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I have to answer personal accusations again just for the record. I don't HATE Obama, what I hate is Marxism, Anti-Americanism, and other destructive totalitarian ideologies, and Obama happens to be both a Marxist and a Muslim, Islam being a totalitarian ideology.

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I submit that your hate is the only reason you believe any of those "reasons".

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In any case I think there's quite enough genuine evidence against Obama to prove he was born in Kenya.

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Then show us the actual evidence. You haven't exactly come up with much so far. And the newspaper announcement of the birth is rather good evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii. I haven't seen anything to match that from the other side.

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As I recall I read a defense of Cruz as eligible despite his Canadian citizenship so I stopped worrying about it. Yes I might not have been as ready if someone says the same about Obama because I know Obama to be a Marxist out to undermine America, whereas I know Cruz has America's interests at heart.

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And there we have an example where interpretation of the law is influenced by the desired result. Thank you. Of course it is completely wrong, because your opinion of who would be the better President is utterly irrelevant to the eligibility requirements.

Instead of complaining that left aren't politically correct while deriding political correctness ('a reversal of centuries of civilized rules of discourse' IS a call for political correctness) perhaps you could focus on the facts and presenting this abundant evidence you've been holding on to?