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Faith 
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Message 181 of 218 (795758)
12-15-2016 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by 14174dm
12-15-2016 2:27 PM


Re: Denying the facts means imputing false personal motivations to knowers of the facts
I don't know why you hammer so hard on the sins of the Catholics but ignore the sins of the Protestants. Humans are humans with examples of saints and sinners in every group you look at.
I am focused on ideologies, not people. The RCC is a totalitarian ideology whose aim is to rule the entire world, just as it is Islam's aim and Communism's. They are really three of the heads of a homicidal beast. The RCC murdered something like fifty million Protestants over the six hundred years of the official Inquisition, for theologically disagreeing with them, not to mention another seventeen million Jews, Muslims, witches and others for the same reason. The Protestants did some indefensible things too but on a minuscule scale by comparison, only here and there and not systematically and -- most important -- against the Bible which is the authority for Protestants. The Vatican has never closed the Office of the Inquisition, or taken the anathemas against Protestant doctrine out of their official documents.
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Modulous
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Message 182 of 218 (795759)
12-15-2016 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 175 by Faith
12-15-2016 3:54 PM


Re: The Kenyan grandmother's story
Nope, not on this subject would I read snopes.
Find me another 'Welcome' sign in Kenya that looks like this. Find me a sign in Kenya with Arabic script. Find me a translation of the Arabic text from a disinterested Arabic speaking source. I'll give you some clues:
1) There are no signs that colour in Kenya
2) The signs that do exist, don't have Arabic script.
3) The Arabic script is near gibberish, but claims Obama was born in Hawaii and that, for some reason, John is dead.
Here is a travel log from someone in Oman, travelling through Mahdi. Notice the welcome sign. Notice the background is exactly the same as the Obama-is-from-Kenya sign. That's because the 'Welcome to Kenya' sign is obviously fake.
I thought you claimed to be good at spotting obvious fakes? Wrong language, incoherent translation, wrong colour, clearly photoshopped from a sign from a different country. Look at both images for a long time, that proved Obama's birth certificate for you. Look behind the sign in both pictures, same shrubbery, same mountains same everything. It's a fake, Faith. You've fallen for confirmation bias yet again.

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Faith 
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Message 183 of 218 (795760)
12-15-2016 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Modulous
12-15-2016 2:27 PM


Re: The Kenyan grandmother's story
I do not buy your rationalization about a supposed mistranslation. That's all it is, a klutzy rationalization. In the beginning the translator was sure she said she witnessed his birth in Kenya, and then he kept getting all these contrary messages. Sorry. All the earmarks of a sudden change in the message, not a mistranslation.
This is not evidence that the family intervened in the conversation. That evidence, should it exist, would surely be on the recording of the conversation. But it is absent from that recording.
The evidence I gave is circumstantial but good evidence. I wanted to find the original recording I heard because I had the impression there was some evidence there, but if someone intervened with a nudge and a silently mouthed message it might not be obvious.
Of course I searched properly for the video, and I got some videos on the subject but not the one I'd heard the day before. I can try again.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 184 of 218 (795761)
12-15-2016 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Faith
12-15-2016 4:23 PM


Re: The Kenyan grandmother's story
All the earmarks of a sudden change in the message, not a mistranslation.
And why would she suddenly change her message? Are we missing the bit of the tape where Obama's goons took her out back and beat her until she recanted?

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Faith 
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Message 185 of 218 (795762)
12-15-2016 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by Modulous
12-15-2016 4:19 PM


Re: The Kenyan grandmother's story
1) There are no signs that colour in Kenya
2) The signs that do exist, don't have Arabic script.
3) The Arabic script is near gibberish, but claims Obama was born in Hawaii and that, for some reason, John is dead.
Now that you remind me, I was surprised to see the upper sign with the Arabic on it because the sign I saw did not have Arabic on it, only the English words. And I don't remember the background at all.
So, those two are both fakes.
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Faith 
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Message 186 of 218 (795764)
12-15-2016 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Dr Adequate
12-15-2016 4:26 PM


Re: The Kenyan grandmother's story
And why would she suddenly change her message?
I explained that. Nudge nudge, wide-eyed relative mouths the words "NO, NO, HAWAII!"
Are we missing the bit of the tape where Obama's goons took her out back and beat her until she recanted?
Possibly a moment's pause and a rustling sound.

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Modulous
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Message 187 of 218 (795765)
12-15-2016 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Faith
12-15-2016 3:53 PM


Re: The Kenyan grandmother's story
Golly gee, another hoax? But whose hoax? Which is the hoax? Do you know? Of course not.
english letter to arabic letter - Google Search
Type 'Hawaii'
Compare it to the 'Birthplace of Obama' sign.
Here is the Arabic for Hawaii: هاواي
Here is the sign
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NosyNed
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Message 188 of 218 (795766)
12-15-2016 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 186 by Faith
12-15-2016 4:33 PM


Re: The Kenyan grandmother's story
I explained that. Nudge nudge, wide-eyed relative mouths the words "NO, NO, HAWAII!"
Oh really? You have the transcript of where this was recorded? Or perhaps, like almost everything you say, you made this up?

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Modulous
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Message 189 of 218 (795767)
12-15-2016 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Faith
12-15-2016 4:23 PM


Re: The Kenyan grandmother's story
I do not buy your rationalization about a supposed mistranslation.
It doesn't matter. You are here to persuade me. I hear someone who is a poor English speaker trying to translate over the phone. I am not going to read evidence of a grand conspiracy into it, especially given the clarification refutes it.
In the beginning the translator was sure she said she witnessed his birth in Kenya,
No. He never said that.
and then he kept getting all these contrary messages.
He corrected the misunderstanding when the caller kept insisting Obama was born in Kenya. Isn't it odd that McRae kept trying to hit that point in the face of the contradiction? Almost like he wanted to build a certain narrative or something.
All the earmarks of a sudden change in the message, not a mistranslation.
Nope.
The evidence I gave is circumstantial but good evidence. I wanted to find the original recording I heard because I had the impression there was some evidence there, but if someone intervened with a nudge and a silently mouthed message it might not be obvious.
So no evidence of the family intervening at all, then? Just your speculations.
Of course I searched properly for the video, and I got some videos on the subject but not the one I'd heard the day before. I can try again.
There are many versions of the same audio on the internet. You don't need the exact same upload of it.

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Faith 
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Message 190 of 218 (795768)
12-15-2016 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by NosyNed
12-15-2016 4:37 PM


Re: The Kenyan grandmother's story
Are you kidding? Mod has made up half his posts to rationalize away this or that in the mailman incident,and his mistranslation hypothesis in the grandmother incident was made up; PaulK has invented a bunch of scenarios too, Dr. A made up his theory about how the mistake in the book was supposedly made, jar keeps spouting out his weary opinions with no evidence, and you pick on me. Of course. This whole discussion is hypothetical at this point and my hypothesis of what may have happened is a really good one.
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Modulous
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Message 191 of 218 (795769)
12-15-2016 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by Faith
12-15-2016 4:27 PM


Re: The Kenyan grandmother's story
the sign I saw did not have Arabic on it
So again, the Kenya sign claim has no evidence does it? You either didn't notice the Arabic when you first saw it because you were so taken aback by the English...or you were presented with a version with the Arabic scrubbed...or you are just making stuff up. How can I know? Let me know when you have evidence for this.

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Faith 
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Message 192 of 218 (795770)
12-15-2016 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by Modulous
12-15-2016 4:46 PM


Re: The Kenyan grandmother's story
I'm very sure it didn't have Arabic on it but maybe you are right that I was startled by the English. It was in the middle of a video and I have no idea how to find that video. If I can even remember whose video it was ... I do remember that the guy himself had to search to find it. But I also have to find the video of the grandmother I saw.

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Modulous
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Message 193 of 218 (795771)
12-15-2016 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by Faith
12-15-2016 4:51 PM


Re: The Kenyan grandmother's story
I'm very sure it didn't have Arabic on it but maybe you are right that I was startled by the English.
I applaud your willingness to accept the possibility.
But I also have to find the video of the grandmother I saw.
You posted it in Message 695.
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Dr Adequate
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Message 194 of 218 (795772)
12-15-2016 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 187 by Modulous
12-15-2016 4:36 PM


Re: The Kenyan grandmother's story
(Note that Hawaii is written left-to-right, i.e. backwards.)

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Modulous
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Message 195 of 218 (795773)
12-15-2016 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 176 by Faith
12-15-2016 3:55 PM


Re: Literary agent's "mistake"
Any literary agent or editor or publisher worth her salt would not make such an idi*otic mistake.
Do you have reason to suppose she was worth her salt?

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