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nwr
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Message 53 of 235 (726161)
05-06-2014 6:43 PM
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05-06-2014 4:24 PM


If I can't pray in a court house, am I free?
Of course you can pray in a court house. That was not even being questioned.
The case was about whether a government body can require prayer.

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Message 59 of 235 (726172)
05-06-2014 10:01 PM
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05-06-2014 5:13 PM


The "days" and "nights" in Genesis clearly rule out evolution physics, from God's perspective anyways.
Fixed that for you. However, that still is only relevant to literalists.
If 2 + 2 could ever equal 5, then that might suggest that the laws of logic are in fact evolving. From a purely materialistic point of view, an atheist has to consider that as a possibility.
Nonsense. What does logic have to do with materialism, anyway?

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Message 70 of 235 (726185)
05-06-2014 10:53 PM
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05-06-2014 10:14 PM


How can the atheist worldview (which must incorporate evolution) account for the existence of logic?
Logic is a human construct.
Where's the problem?

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Message 89 of 235 (726206)
05-07-2014 1:17 AM
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05-07-2014 12:22 AM


Obviously you must think that the laws of identity and non-contradiction do not apply out there, since humans have yet to arrive on the scene, is that right?
Logic applies to language statements, not to physical reality. If we describe something on Alpha Centauri, then we are using human language. So language would be as applicable there as it is with human language used elsewhere.
If there are creatures living on Alpha Centauri (or a planet of Alpha Centauri), then it is an empirical question as to whether those creatures are using a language to which logic is applicable.
Shirley you don't think the laws of logic were constructed by humans do you?
Leave Shirley out of it. Logic works to the extent it does, because of the way that we have constructed the languages with which we use logic.

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Message 90 of 235 (726207)
05-07-2014 1:23 AM
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05-07-2014 1:06 AM


Re: The text about the creation vs the creation
As a Christian, you have to acknowledge that the Bible (including Genesis) is the inerrant word of God.
The Adam and Eve story is a fable. If the Bible gives a reasonably correct rendering of that fable, it can be said to be inerrant.
In any case, inerrancy is not a requirement for being Christian. It might be a requirement of some particular groups.

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Message 111 of 235 (726240)
05-07-2014 9:22 AM
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05-07-2014 1:57 AM


If I have a boolean variable, assign it TRUE, it can't then at the same time become a walnut.
Sure, it can. All it requires is to change the meaning of "walnut" to that of "TRUE".
It is all to do with language (including naming conventions).

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