Gay\transgender -- not by genetics, not by upbringing, not by choice

Ringo writes: The fallacy assumed here is that one part of the body is the same as what another part of the body is.Now, far be it for me to assume what Ringo is thinking should be the overriding part, but as for me, I'll take the mind every time.Edited by xongsmith, : grammar

Straggler says: Just a reminder that you may be straying away from your own well-argued refutation of duality back in the Illusion Of Free Will thread. Certainly in my argument the mind is a part of the body. It is the part of the body that contains the self-identity you allude to. As you state here, you can cut off a leg and you are still you. You can poke out an eye and you are still you. You can get a heart transplant and you are still you. But you cannot get a brain transplant. You can get a body transplant when your brain is put into another body (say into a baboon's, to maintain a certain thematic continuity in this thread).It was offered here in this thread that a "cure" for dealing with the life-long desire of wanting to go through the long & arduous process of transgendering, is that, instead, you could change your mind. I'm sure you may also find such an approach similar to the fallacy of a brain transplant - the death of the original person and a new inhabitant of the body.So yes, agreeing, you quote Ringo Ringo didn't word it correctly for the purpose of this argument. He said "the body" and "a wrong body" rather than "that part of the body that is not the mind". I think that for successfully diagnosed candidates for transgender procedure, it is indeed the "the part of the body that is not the mind" that is wrong for "the part that is the mind".Case in point: Ringo in Message 165 says: For those who have gone through the long psychological evaluation & all the years of analysis and nonetheless still are certain of their predicament, this is tantamount to saying "Why not let someone else live in your body?"

Ringo notes: Ahah! I think I get it. Not sure. Trying to understand where you are coming from, and this has been maybe the most illuminating thing you have said. SO - just who is living in this (the body minus the part that is the mind)? Would you grant intelligent lifeform rights to this "somebody else"?? No? why not? Who is the they as in the "they already have "somebody else" living in their body"? Who has been kidnapped in their own body? Where can I find this usurped entity?