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RAZD
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12-12-2011 11:22 AM


An interesting article:
Identical twin boys, one transgender become brother and sister - The Boston Globe
quote:
Led by the child who simply knew
The twin boys were identical in every way but one. Wyatt was a girl to the core, and now lives as one, with the help of a brave, loving family and a path-breaking doctor’s care.
Jonas and Wyatt Maines were born identical twins, but from the start each had a distinct personality.
‘Wyatt needs hair accessories, clothes, shoes . . . likes to wear bikinis, high heels, mini-skirts.’
Jonas was all boy. He loved Spiderman, action figures, pirates, and swords.
Wyatt favored pink tutus and beads. At 4, he insisted on a Barbie birthday cake and had a thing for mermaids. On Halloween, Jonas was Buzz Lightyear. Wyatt wanted to be a princess; his mother compromised on a prince costume.
Once, when Wyatt appeared in a sequin shirt and his mother’s heels, his father said: You don’t want to wear that.’’
Yes, I do,’’ Wyatt replied.
Dad, you might as well face it,’’ Wayne recalls Jonas saying. You have a son and a daughter.’’
That early declaration marked, as much as any one moment could, the beginning of a journey that few have taken, one the Maineses themselves couldn’t have imagined until it was theirs. The process of remaking a family of identical twin boys into a family with one boy and one girl has been heartbreaking and harrowing and, in the end, inspiring - a lesson in the courage of a child, a child who led them, and in the transformational power of love.
Wayne and Kelly Maines have struggled to know whether they are doing the right things for their children, especially for Wyatt, who now goes by the name Nicole. Was he merely expressing a softer side of his personality, or was he really what he kept saying: a girl in a boy’s body? Was he exhibiting early signs that he might be gay?Was it even possible, at such a young age, to determine what exactly was going on?
We can rule out genetics.
We can rule out upbringing.
We can rule out "choice".
What's left is fetal development - the process that builds a fetus from the genetic recipe - and a mutation in the progress of that development in one fetus.
Enjoy.

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Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
12-12-2011 11:22 AM


Bumping a lost PNT
Do you still wish to pursue this PNT theme, or has it been covered elsewhere.
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04-19-2012 8:13 AM
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Re: Bumping a lost PNT
perhaps in coffee house?

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