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Author Topic:   The Illusion of Free Will
Jon
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Message 180 of 359 (651858)
02-10-2012 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by xongsmith
02-01-2012 1:32 PM


Pragmatic Free Will
'Free will' isn't something we have or don't have. It is something we live by or don't live by, based on what produces the better results.
Do we imprison wife-beater Steve and thus prevent him from killing his wife, or do we say "ta fuck on dis shit; ain't not'in we can do" and let things happen as they will?
We choose the former because living by free will creates a better world than not living by free will.
And if we live as though there's free will, then it's as good as real.
Jon

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Jon
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Message 245 of 359 (652606)
02-14-2012 11:40 PM
Reply to: Message 242 by Modulous
02-14-2012 7:22 PM


Re: Mr Mits' illusory freedom
Another way to look at the question:
When a person points a gun at me, and says 'pick the red shirt'. Whose will is it that I pick the red shirt? I think it should be apparent that it is the gunholder's will. The gunholder can freely choose between all the different shirts I have (He is still constrained by what shirts I own of course) without any coercive force. He is the thing that makes the decision. While I employ my will to pick up the shirt etc, I am not doing so freely since there is an external (to me) force (viz. a fashion conscious gunman)
You could let him shoot you.
Is coercion a restriction on freedom of will?
People are coerced all of the time into making choices they otherwise wouldn't make. I'm coerced into taking the longer route to work every day because the government decides to construct the road system in a grid instead of cutting through all those meddling parkinglots between my place and where I work.
Does this really hamper my freedom of will?
I don't feel as though it does. And the government doesn't either.
Jon
Edited by Jon, : No reason given.

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Jon
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Message 356 of 359 (653365)
02-20-2012 11:47 AM


Free by Necessity
Freewill exists because it needs to.
Period.

Love your enemies!

  
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