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ringo
Member (Idle past 712 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 196 of 560 (852419)
05-10-2019 12:16 PM
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Religion is, ironically, a two-edged sword. Like nuclear power, it has one kinda good side and one really bad side.
Hippopotamus.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 712 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 198 of 560 (852424)
05-10-2019 1:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 197 by AZPaul3
05-10-2019 1:43 PM
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AZPaul3 writes: In the long term the good has been so outweighed by the bad as to be non-existent.
That's just poor mathematics.
Hippopotamus.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 712 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 200 of 560 (852426)
05-10-2019 1:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 199 by AZPaul3
05-10-2019 1:53 PM
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AZPaul3 writes: Reality does that with subjective evaluations.
Subjective evaluation is one of the reasons why religion is unreliable. Unfortunately, some people use the same flaw to criticize religion.
Hippopotamus.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 712 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 202 of 560 (852428)
05-10-2019 2:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 201 by AZPaul3
05-10-2019 2:15 PM
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AZPaul3 writes: But doesn't change the result.
My whole point is that your result is wrong. There's plenty of good to be found in religion. Maybe it doesn't outweigh the bad but it's far from insignificant.
Hippopotamus.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 712 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 204 of 560 (852450)
05-11-2019 11:50 AM
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Reply to: Message 203 by AZPaul3
05-10-2019 2:43 PM
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AZPaul3 writes: I cannot find enough of anything significant in religion's good side to elevate it above insignificant.
Maybe you want to rethink that.
Hippopotamus.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 712 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 206 of 560 (852485)
05-12-2019 2:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 205 by AZPaul3
05-11-2019 2:19 PM
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AZPaul3 writes: But, as with most things one "Ah, shit!" negates 1000 "Attaboys"....
That's the poor mathematics I was talking about. It's a cute bumper sticker but it in many cases it isn't true. It's the same mistake that the fundies make when they say that one tiny sin sends you to hell. It's the same mistake that the Nazis make when they say that one drop of Jewish blood makes you inferior.
Hippopotamus.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 712 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 208 of 560 (852489)
05-12-2019 2:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 207 by AZPaul3
05-12-2019 2:20 PM
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AZPaul3 writes: So for you religion has a stronger good side that counters much its bad side?
You should maybe try reading my posts. In Message 197 you said, "In the long term the good has been so outweighed by the bad as to be non-existent." I'm arguing against "non-existent". As I said in Message 202, "Maybe it doesn't outweigh the bad but it's far from insignificant." In Message 204 I gave you some examples. So, not "non-existent".
Hippopotamus.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 712 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 210 of 560 (852491)
05-12-2019 2:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 209 by AZPaul3
05-12-2019 2:52 PM
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It would be more graceful to just admit that you were wrong.
Hippopotamus.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 712 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 212 of 560 (852493)
05-12-2019 3:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 211 by AZPaul3
05-12-2019 3:08 PM
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AZPaul3 writes: Isn’t that one drop of blood, that one minor sin, so insignificant as to be called non-existent?
The context was mathematics. Mathematically, existent is not the same as non-existent.
AZPaul3 writes: IMO, the same for the whole body of religious work.
Tell that to the people lined up at the Salvation Army soup kitchen.
Hippopotamus.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 712 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 214 of 560 (852495)
05-12-2019 3:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 213 by AZPaul3
05-12-2019 3:51 PM
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AZPaul3 writes: Pedantic word games.
Not at all. You're just trying to weasel out of admitting that you were wrong: There is significant good in religion. Soup kitchens, etc.
Hippopotamus.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 712 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 216 of 560 (852498)
05-12-2019 4:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 215 by AZPaul3
05-12-2019 4:25 PM
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You're moving the goalposts. Again, ask the people in line at the soup kitchen if religion has provided any significant benefits.
Hippopotamus.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 712 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 218 of 560 (852500)
05-12-2019 4:44 PM
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Reply to: Message 217 by AZPaul3
05-12-2019 4:39 PM
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AZPaul3 writes: Just spouting off.
Indeed.
Hippopotamus.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 712 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 220 of 560 (852544)
05-13-2019 1:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 219 by Taq
05-13-2019 1:04 PM
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“Human decency is not derived from religion. It precedes it.” --Christopher Hitchens
And petroleum precedes the automobile. Nonetheless, automobiles use petroleum.
Hippopotamus.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 712 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 222 of 560 (852590)
05-14-2019 11:37 AM
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Reply to: Message 221 by Taq
05-13-2019 3:42 PM
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Taq writes: Automobiles don't use religion.
You seem to be really grasping at straws trying to put down religion. The point was that religion didn't have to invent decency to have some decency in it.
Hippopotamus.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 712 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 224 of 560 (852644)
05-14-2019 9:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 223 by Taq
05-14-2019 3:59 PM
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Taq writes: I am pointing out how theists are grasping at straws to improve the image of religion.
You're pointing at me and I'm no theist, nor am I trying to improve the image of religion. I'm saying that the good in religion is not non-existent.
Taq writes: This is why homeless people should thank human decency for their free soup, not religions.
You can't just separate human decency from religion like that. Some people get their human decency from religion.
Welcome back, Faith.
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