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Hi Straggler, I plead guilty.I do believe that the realm that God dwells in is the same realm that the universe we live in exists in. There could be other universes that exist in that realm.I think the scientific view of that is that there is a super universe in which many universes exist. Speaking for myself the answer is NO.1. The universe has existed in some form for all eternity, but not the form we see it in today.2. Jehovah (God the Father) does not hang out within the universe we live in.Certain of the angels go and come at will to bring messages to certain people and to protect certain people.The God Man did make an appearance into our universe in the form of a man and gave the life of that physical body that mankind might be reunited to God in the same fashion that he was in before the first man disobeyed God and ate the forbiden fruit.Since the ability of the angels and God to come and go at will in our universe it must be an open universe and can receive energy from an external source.God the Holy Spirit does reside in the universe in which we live as He seals all those who are born again into God's Family.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Buz, If any origin story of the universe required any kind of evidence the only one that would survive would be the one found in Genesis.The scientific community has no evidence for the origin of the universe.Their best answer to the question when asked about the origin of the universe is "We don't know".There are those who have proposed what is known as the string theory. The problem is they have not provided a place that a vaccum could exist in for the branes to appear and bang against each other to begin the universe we know today.There is the Hartle/Hawking instanton that when it appeared would create a universe just like the one we live in. The only place Stephen Hawking provided for this instanton to appear in was imaginary time. The problem is he did not provide a place for the imaginary time to exist in.So everything that the scientific community has presented to date is based on assumptions.Either of the two cases I mentioned above assumes that there is a place of existence in which their entities could exist and produce our universe.Beginning on that assumption they have to add several assumptions.The one I love is that everything in this massive universe that we can see and cannot see at one time was compressed into something about the size of a pin point. That means all the energy and matter in the universe was packed into that pin point size object that really had no place to exist other than an assumption.So the house of cards they have built is on an assumption.Gees, that sounds just like magic to me.Yet when we present a record that was dictated by the being that actually viewed the event it is called magic.When we present fulfilled prophecy that was fortold thousands of years before it came to pass it is just a pack of lies.Yet we are supposed to believe everything they spout as the gospel truth, even though it is all built on assumptions.Lots of luck in your endevor.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi hooah, I said:2. Jehovah (God the Father) does not hang out within the universe we live in.God lives in a realm.The universe we live in exists in that realm.Where did I say God The Father lived in the universe that exists in the realm He resides in?I knew you had a reading problem I just did not think it was as bad as it is.Or is your mind so closed by your bias that you can only see what you want to see and read?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi hooah, To have laws someone has to write them.He wrote the laws so I don't try to wedge Him into fitting within those laws.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Buz, I would like to bring a couple of things to your attention.Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.If God is inside of the universe how did He create it?Why did Paul say:

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2 Cor 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the third heaven.

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The atmosphere created in Genesis chapter 1 is the 1st heaven and the 2nd heaven is where the stars and planets are and the third heaven is where God resides. I know that and I won't hold it against you. We can just agree to disagree as long as we agree God did it, in His own way. So.The Bible don't have the word universe in it either does it?It says God created the heavens 1 and 2 it does not say anything about creating the third heaven.Just food for thought and study.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Chuck, I gave my reasons as God and angels being able to go from their realm into the universe for believing it is an open universe.If the universe is open God can add or remove anything He desires too at any time.At the same time the laws of this universe does not apply to the realm in which God resides.You said in Message 42 the earth was a closed system and was corrected which you agreed with in Message 45 that it was open.We get energy from the sun and the sun is dying because of that expended energy and one day it will implode, after swallowing the earth so we are told.Whether we realize it or not one of these days this entire universe is going to melt with fervent heat, according to Peter.

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2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

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If I am not mistaken science has said the earth will melt with fervent heat in a couple of billion years or so.If God and His angels are apart of this universe when it melts with fervent heat I would assume they would cease to exist also.But since they are not a part of this universe God will then create a new heaven and a new earth as John tell us.

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Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

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The heaven and the earth will be restored to the way it was when God created it in Genesis 1:1 with all sin purged from it.That means a lot of energy is going to be expended and used as well as matter to create a new heaven and new earth.You see our rules and regulations as well as God's laws we have discovered does not control what God can or can not do.If they did He would not be God.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Buz, No I actually believe they are sitting around in the third heaven with this universe and maybe several more as I would not limit God to one universe watching us make all of our mistakes and trying to guide us in the right direction through the Holy Spirit.Sitting there scratching their heads like some of the guys here do when they try to explain their views to either of us. Wondering why in the world we don't get it.One question:Where was God when He created the heavens and the earth that is recorded in Genesis 1:1?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Buz,Question:You did not answer the question I asked.Where was God when He created the heavens and the earth that is recorded in Genesis 1:1?I understand the Holy Spirit moved on the face of the waters in Genesis 1:2, but the heavens and the earth was created in Genesis 1:1 prior to the events that take place in Genesis 1:2-2:3.

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Psalms 104:30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.

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Where does that verse mention the original creation?It does mention a renewing which took place in Genesis 1:2-31. Where can I find uni-verse in the Bible ? There is no evidence in the Bible for a uni/one-verse either. If there is give me chapter and verse.There is evidence for heavens in Genesis 1:1, as well as the third heaven Paul gives us evidence for.But there is no uni-verse mentioned in the Bible. The Bible does mention 3 heavens.It does not mention a uni-verse. That is an assumption.Let me put my questions here to make it easier to follow my thoughts.1. Where was God when He created the heavens and the earth that is recorded in Genesis 1:1?2. Where does Psalms 104:30 mention the original creation?3. Where can I find uni-verse in the Bible chapter and verse?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Buz, Sure I have paid attention why do you think I asked the question.So you are saying the heavens and the earth did not exist until...?According to the above statement they did not exist at the end of Genesis 1:1.So give me the verse they did begin to exist in. Sure it does.

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Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

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Now granted it does not say how many billion, trillion, or quintillion years ago in our time that was. It just says in the beginning.But if it did not exist in Genesis 1:1 then when did it begin to exist. I can give a big AMEN to that. Are you now saying that after the opening statement the universe existed?Are you also saying the earth existed after that opening statement?Because how can you begin to work on planet earth if it does not exist?The earth had to be created before any work could be done on it.Brother me thinks you need to get the scales removed from the eyes that thou mightest see. God Bless you and yours,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Buz, I have read snd watched your arguments over the past 4 years, so I know what your arguments are.I know you believe in a day age theory.I just don't know when you think the heavens and the earth was ברא created.I know that Genesis 1:1 is a completed declarative statement."In the beginning created God the heavens and the earth".I know that God can not lie. If that completed statement is not the truth God lied, because He told Moses the creation story.I know that God declared what a day was in Genesis 1:5 when he called a light period and a dark period day.I know that day 2 was composed of a light period and a dark period and all the days thereafter.If they didn't God lied because He told Moses the creation story.It doesn't make any difference what I believe or want to believe, the only thing that matters is what God said. Because that is truth.God Bless you and yours,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."