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cavediver Member (Idle past 3674 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
[Copied from our private exchange]
White holes do have a history of being thought to be behind a number of astrophysical phenomena: gamma ray bursters, active galactic nuclei (AGN) engines, quasar engines, etc. The trouble is defining what is meant by a white-hole. They first appear in the maximally extended Schwarzschild black hole solution, and are paired with a black hole. BUT, stuff does not flow into the black hole to appear at the white hole. Quite the opposite, the stuff falling into the black hole hits the future singularity (which lies in the future!) and the white hole is "fed" by the past singularity, which unsurprisingly lies in the past. Even then, this is the extended solution, which is primarily mathematical in nature, and it is difficult to conceive of this occuring in nature. The black holes formed by gravitational collapse are not maximally extended and do not have the past singularity and the past event horizons of the white hole. Alfred discussing Mayer suggests a black hole connected to a white hole by the Einstein-Rosen bridge wormhole. This "wormhole" is again a feature of the maximally extended solution, not the astrophysical blach hole. And it essentially connects two black holes together, not a black hole to a white hole. And it is non-traversable in that it is a "space-like" connection, so that nothing travelling at c or below can cross it. Finally, black holes and white holes and Einstein-Rosen bridges are not things to be described in words. They are precise mathematical features of the black hole solutions to General Relativity. As soon as you leave GR, these terms become essentially meaningless unless you can use alternative mathematics to demonstrate that you have similar features in your own model. Mayer certainly does not have anywhere close to that level of mathematical detail of his "ideas", so is essentially talking nonsense.
Alfred does not have a clue. He thinks that he is one of the pioneers who "think outside the box". Unfortunately, he is just another crank who thinks that sufficiently complex-sounding techno-babble is a suitable substitute for post-grad mathematics. Edited by Admin, : Hide off-topic content.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3674 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
Mayer writes:
"The observable effects of time dilation and length contraction are associated with three distinct phenomena; relative motion, the local gravitational field and the cosmic gravitational field. All three cases involve a similar form of coordinate transformation. In the case of cosmological gravitational field, the physical coordinate transformation (i.e. the transformation of space to time) occurs in the direction of observation. The true fundamental meaning of 'spacetime' curvature in the context of cosmology is that the farther we look out into space, the more the rest frame of galaxies at the remote location is rotated in spacetime relative to the local Galactic rest frame. Irrespective of any relative motion, the greater the distance to a galaxy is, the larger the component of its time axis projected onto the radial space dimension: time becomes space." And? This is simply what happens in the FLRW solutions to the Einstein Equation of General Relativity. Simply quoting what happens is hardly ground-breaking...
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3674 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
If you notice, in Mayer's metric the radius of the observable cosmos is constant value. I'm sorry, but Mayer doesn't even begin to understand the nature of metrics, as is blatently obvious from his website and the quote you have provided. Therefore, any conclusion he makes is doomed to be nonsense save for fortuitous chance. That he thinks that his quoted obseravtion suggest something different to FLRW simply speaks to his complete cluelessness of space-time physics.
quote: It is precisely this projection of the time-component of a distance galaxy's 4-velocity onto the local radial space dimension that gives rise to observed red-shift *and* recession. They are one and the same unified concept: time does indeed become space; passage through time becomes passage through space; passage through space is velocity. And if you are willing to discuss metrics, then how can you possibly question so unbelievingly the possibility of the expansion of space? The most obvious thing in the world is the jump from Minkwoski's: ds2 = - dt2 + dx2 + dy2 +dz2 to the curved space-time physics of: ds2 = - A(t,x,y,z)dt2 + B(t,x,y,z)dx2 + C(t,x,y,z)dy2 +D(t,x,y,z)dz2 Einstein's journey of discovery was simply to find what restrictions are placed upon the functions A(), B(), C(), and D().
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3674 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined:
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The Big Bang hypothesis simply cannot possibly match any observational data at all unless you can demonstrate to me logically how is it possible to gain any concrete physical volume from the pure unadulterated nothing the universe is bounded by necessarily and how is it possible to express that gain with an increase in a concrete physically measurable radius of the whole shebang. For as long as you demand that the Universe conform to your own prosaic understanding of what is logical and sensible, you will remain utterly ignorant. Those of us who have devoted much of our lives to understanding the Universe, long ago learnt to let go of all presuppositions and let the Universe itself dictate its characteristics without interference from our ignorance. You would do well to do likewise. Do you even understand how General Relativity gives rise to the possibility of an expanding Universe, independent of any hypothetical "nothingness" that according to you surrounds it? And perhaps you could explain how "nothingness" can somehow transcend its own "nothingness" to gain the ability to "surround"?
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3674 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
Mayer writes: "...As concerns the passage of time according to a local clock we can speak meaningfully about various components of the Solar System, the Milky Way, the Local Group and the more local clusters of galaxies. On a larger scale than that, the collective concept of a shared time scale starts to lose its meaning. According to our new understanding distant ideal clocks at relative rest tick more slowly as compared to similar local clock; the farther away the galaxy is from us the slower it ages from our point of view independent of any contribution to time dilation due to relativistic motion. When we are looking at redshift z=1, then for ten billion years of local time for our galaxy only five billion years have passed for those remote galaxies. At redshift z=9 the same ten billion years of local time correspond only to one billion there. Conversely from the point of view of distant observers, it is our region of the Universe that is growing older more slowly than theirs. This may seem paradoxical, yet it is a natural consequence of temporal relativity in which the primitive concept of absolute time is abandoned." Is Mayer really so stupid as to not realise that this exactly what happens in the Standard Model of cosmology??? His (and consequently your) whole hang-up on this supposed "absolute time" of standard comsology is a complete brain failure on his part - there is no "absolute time", all the time vectors do point in different directions, and time-dilation is very much observed in the distant galaxies and quasars. All of this very much implies expansion - it does not negate it
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3674 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
So please explain why Mayer is presenting his time dilated observation of the Universe as something new
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3674 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
certainly that concept of many directions of time is not exactly what you currently are teaching your students. I have taught this repeatedly as this exactly the situation in General Relativity and more specifically in cosmology.
With the rates of all the processes in the universe being a function of the distance to the observer I think you mean "observed rates", but yes this is correct.
and vectors of time being orthogonal to the surface of the spacetime hypersphere This is also true.
there is no implied possibility for the entropy to be shared by the universe as a whole. Are you refering to the Horizon problem here?
The very geometry implies there could be no such thing as a single arrow of time for the whole cosmos. There isn't. But there is a special set of frames of reference within which the elapsed time since the Big Bang is maximised, and this maximum value is consistent across these frames of reference.
Time vectors that are in the second invisible hemisphere beyond the cosmological horizon are understood to point in the reverse direction just like the gravity vectors are pointing at the antipodes of the terrestrial globe. Yes, but only in that "reverse direction" is just an artefact of the 3d embedding of your picture of a 4d Universe. A stake in the ground in the UK points up. A similar stake in the ground in New Zealand also points up, although the two stakes are pointing in close to opposite directions.
Age or expansion are not understood to be proper attributes of the universe. And here you simply fail. Your inability to do as Minkowski instructed and to view the Universe from its true 4d perspective is what is blinding you. The Universe is static, the Universe just is, and is all existence as a constant. BUT ONLY WHEN VIEWED IN 4D. The expansion of the Universe is equivalent to the expansion of the Earth as one travels down from the North Pole to the equator. If you cannot view time as just another dimension, you will never undestand this.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3674 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
Well, we are starting to see more eye to eye so I reckon your transition to the new model will eventually prove to be painless. No, you have missed the whole point. Almost everything that Mayer claims is revolutionary is just basic relativity. Why would he do this unless he is either a liar or just completely confused by relativity. I strongly suspect the latter, but then you never know. And you are simply following the blind, liking what you hear but having far too little knowledge and experience to discern its credibility.
If you are so used to the term expansion, you can retain it for the time being, yet it has no physical significance at all. Yes, Alfred, I will follow your guidance despite you having read a few books, where as I have devoted much of my life to this subject. I'm sure that will work out just fine
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3674 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
Well, I would agree to the extent that, yes, indeed the Big Bang theory is in a blatant contradiction with the most elementary relativity and Mayer is doing nothing more than pointing out all which is under every one's nose. No, you have missed the whole point. Almost everything that Mayer is claiming as revolutionary and his own discovery is just basic relativity. Why would he do this unless he is either a liar or just completely confused by relativity. I strongly suspect the latter, but then you never know. And you are simply following the blind, liking what you hear but having far too little knowledge and experience to discern its credibility.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3674 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
Not my impression at all. but you know nothing about the subject matter, so that is irrelevant
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