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Message 65 of 146 (864987)
10-19-2019 5:34 PM

Reply to: Message 64 by Phat
10-19-2019 4:13 PM

Re: Source vs Content

Phat writes:

There is one way. The way of Jesus. The way of the cross of suffering and self-denial. We have yet to learn the self-denial part...its the toughest part of the lesson.

That's such a self-flagalistic thing. There's a really unpleasant masochism about your kind of Christianity. It matches with this need for the world to end and everything having to get worse all the time.

It's so fucking miserable it can't be godly.

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Message 71 of 146 (865018)
10-20-2019 3:13 AM

Reply to: Message 67 by Faith
10-19-2019 7:43 PM

Re: Source vs Content

Faith writes:

Lies, lies and more lies.

You want me to quote you some of the times you've told us that the we're in the end-times and that you're looking forward to it?

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I have Rosh Hashana in mind or some time around there or afterward, and although it would be lovely I am not at all dogmatic about it, just hoping.
—Faith

You guys love it, want it, need it. You're so disappointed with your own lives and so sure that you're 'saved' that you wish for the end of the world to make it happen for you.

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 73 of 146 (865021)
10-20-2019 4:11 AM

Reply to: Message 72 by Faith
10-20-2019 3:24 AM

Re: Source vs Content

And then there's the worship of the sadism, the masochism of martyrdom, self-flagellation and sack cloth and ashes, kneeling in front of the cross and worshipping the torture and human sacrifice. The Catholics are particularly fond of it with their 'stations of the cross'.

I'm afraid the whole thing is just sick. Sad and sick.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 77 of 146 (865032)
10-20-2019 12:00 PM

Reply to: Message 74 by Faith
10-20-2019 5:22 AM

Re: Source vs Content

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The Catholic stuff does go too far but you are including all of Christianity and your view is so far from our view of it there's just nothing to say.
—Faith

Oh yeh?

Then you'll be surprised to hear that at every Christian mass several times a day all across the world you Christians get on your knees and eat Christ's flesh and drink his blood - in memory of his death an crucifixion. It's horrific. If it was invented today, it would be outlawed.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 89 of 146 (865124)
10-21-2019 3:14 AM

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10-20-2019 6:35 PM

Re: Source vs Content

Faith writes:

Catholics do mass, Christians do not.

Garbage. Catholics are Christians and all Christians have mass.

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Mass is the main eucharistic liturgical service in many forms of Western Christianity. The term Mass is commonly used in the Roman Catholic[1] and Anglican churches,[2] as well as in some Lutheran,[3] Methodist,[4][5] Western Rite Orthodox, and Old Catholic churches.
Other Christian denominations may employ terms such as Divine Service or worship service (and often just "service"), rather than the word Mass.[6] For the celebration of the Eucharist in Eastern Christianity, including Eastern Catholic Churches, other terms such as Divine Liturgy, Holy Qurbana, and Badarak are typically used instead.

We do take communion, however, in memory of his sacrifice for our sins.

Exactly.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 94 of 146 (865135)
10-21-2019 7:54 AM

Reply to: Message 90 by Faith
10-21-2019 6:50 AM

Re: Source vs Content

Faith writes:

Mass is a service in which Christ is sacrificed over and over,

Exactly my point. It's an obscenity; a glorification of torture.

I don't know why there is any confusion about this at all because it's historically the case that Mass is a Catholic practice rejected by Protestants. Communion in the Protestant churches is not Mass.

There's no confusion, you're just flat out, in your face wrong. Again. Mass is celebrated in Protestant and Anglican and Catholic etc etc churches all over the globe.

Maybe with the exception of your loony tunes church.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 99 of 146 (865166)
10-21-2019 4:14 PM

Reply to: Message 98 by Faith
10-21-2019 4:12 PM

Re: Source vs Content

Utter rubbish. Just blatantly wrong.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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