Intelligent Design is NOT Creation[ism]

"It has no more explanation behind it than if we were to change the name to lepr..."- Well if you meant (it) (which we accept for debate or by reason of logininings...etc.) HAD not MORE {or} there isnt anthing (material) behind it, it would not matter to it(the thing itself) neither or NIther. Sorry to cross EYES line of the sdeI. There will obviously be "more" explanation"" when I, BSM, am done.You did say indeed, "If you have no measure of the agency then there is no substance to the intelligence and as such cannot be taken seriously." and I DO THINK that SOME measure will be provisionable. I am still trying to enlarge my response to Tony as to if the space is not 4-D or not but I can see why indeed you wished to cut the discussion as to the place between the measure and the belief of all beyond. ID man's response remians true indeed.Now, let me see if I can't help you to SENSE the possible existence of the measure BEFORE (in front of, not revealed via) the soul etc etc etc... I was looking at some VRML MAC program rederes over the weekend and I realized
http://www-winfo.uni-siegen.de/vrmlHistory/docs/
that VRMLHistory's"valid time" might be able to DISPLAY what I already tried to get across about macrothermodyanmics in English.If you try Whurlwind and some other program that starts its name with a "V" you will function your wrist differently to get the same "motion" of the 'world on the screen. There exists a gyroscope device built for excercise purposes which by human strength permits a less than 1/100th a second rotations that if designed in VRMLHistory VERSIONINGS providing a two order of navigation ability relative to the simulation (in seconds in VRMLHistory since 1970)this is (if?) enough interactive on-the-fly changeability in browser to have the user PLACED where Salthe thought organisms MUST be heirarchically such that if the result of the intereactive design MATCHED with the nature of levels of selection vs levels of organization then we would have the technique to measure the intellgenice of a design that currently restricts the Darwinization ^IN^ phenomenological thermodynamics constricted Wolfram wise the biological VIEWPOINTS of Dawikins AND Gould. By toying with the DIFFERENT VRML browers one can "feel" the non-temporal instance but if temporal versions are supported with such a device as I mentioned it would be possible to have IN BIOLOGY for time what dissection has been for racial differences. This is not an ethical issue but ONLY ONE of economics. Unfortunately for reasons even failed to acceptance of the material aspects of Georgi's work we have a hard time EXPANDING c/e so that the categorical differences of e/c and c/e become revealed as they are in the collective mind sum of all posters. We have the humans here, now we need the technology. This expands on the thought I had about "haptic" interfaces but
http://EvC Forum: Community Interest in adding haptic feedback -->EvC Forum: Community Interest in adding haptic feedback
I made short cuts. Sorry.I know this is rather dense. If it is too difficult for me to rewrite it just wait till I respond to TONY again as I am USING THIS COGNITION, in plying the reply. The thought is no longer qualitative only thanks to the e-mails from Moscow since the spring. The tech speak is about "unjumping" but lets leave the geek to the greeks, shall we?? So ID IS NOT CREATION and CREATING designs intelligently is not today as good an IC as we can have. Again, the grammetical ability to demostrate technically what has already been reported on EVC in words does not mean that the praxis matches reality as close as necessary for induction, (the difference from any currently expected alternative would have to be large (but that itself is only about the amount of $ put to it, the people doing the work, the day without war ...)for the construction would permit what in in the letters "t(sub)e" a regressive ability that we only have built so far for space. Regression of a Gladyshev Law on an interactive session is likely to produce results if the device was built for group activity rather than on the individuals basis, AS I HAVE SUBSCRIBED.

But if you CAN cut an organISM with a macrokinetic knifvfe AND a mathematical perversion (twist in phone chord) was behind the governance of it NOT TODAY getting funded (because Creationists DONT USE GOV money and Evos dont think this deep structurally on the whole)then we might indeed have biological change on these ropes (of Galelio, Maxwell, Gladyshev) and the Gordian NUT would be the knot. It is a lot easier to screw up than it is to cut loose in our Hedonic world. Now for IC to be DEFINED thus 'as a process systematically bound but unable to change' (the notion of "contraint" by the way in Salthe's "Evolving Hierarchical Systems") IT WOULD HAVE TO BE BOTH true that Natural Selection $was not$ oversold and NO MATTER THE EQUIVALENT SOPHISTICATION of the mind able to %instruct% such defintion of words that dont fight #that# Wolfram was mistaken about irreducibility of universality, but as I have not finished circumscribing if the region is 4-D in the UNDERSTANDING of an extra dimension I have not addressed the nonneutrality that the math (say if I was wrong and it was not a perversion governing the changes)that niche construction WOULD trace implicitly and thus CONSTRAIN my own understanding IN THE BODY, this complex logic instead seemed "cicular" to you which should have been some formation of projective geometry (on the surface of a cone most likely)where the circle was actually a spiral but when looked at from above overlaps into a circle! Sorry for the turbo, but kissing cousins are nonsuch.Yes you cant point to "THE SYSTEM" and THEN say it IS IC but I KNOW that Philip Kitcher's use of the existence of evolution argument confused with the processes DOES NOT APPLY in this temporal scene graph and will spell the final lexic use of Scott's reliance on Eldgredge but again I get past may self and only debate myself for 90mins say rather than dialogue on the topic as I would have preferred if people dared@
http://EvC Forum: Evolution Vs. Creationism -->EvC Forum: Evolution Vs. Creationism
I have been looking for ways f
http://home.wxs.nl/~gkorthof/kortho26.htm
or years to get at Kitcher's philosophy of mathematics and tag teaming here with ID, man, that might be the ticket. Any way, I can talk to myself but I hate being the CULUNATICofIthacaCollege I see. While Kitcher might not be "debunking" religion. Scott's USE of Eldredge IN TOTO attempts to ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^STEAL_by simply peeling away the information about natural history that my Grandfather ALREADY passed on to me and was adviced be solved first psychologically by Cornell. The evos are now attempting to invert the horizontal with a creationist vertical. I am a bit a protoceratops when it comes to mastering that TRICK. BUT IT IS A TRICK. My brother played cornet. I played SAx.It is possibly true however. Hold the horses please and pass the DECANTOR if you will. I have started to indicate in the review that the whole reference to "evidence" is a ruse and not even the legal theory that my next distilliation via VRMLhistory Texture NODES as N=D in Gladyshev equation (5) linked to EVC will remand NO MATTER THE POLITICS. Sorry I am so far off the beaten path could be if it was understood WHAT SECULAR/Sectarian purpose it has. We wouldnt know this unless both the VRML app was a "killer" for w3c/d
Web3D Consortium | Open Standards for Real-Time 3D Communication
and it became as ubiquitous as Texas Intruments regression calculators for most freshman across the founded country. Beyod this development period is where the discussion goes stray.On reading Scott's book, I RECOgnized that what I did in Video Format (I dont know that anyone here has seen them but I did send a copy for the ICR library)is segue indistinguishable from a missedTaken understading of Dembski's specified information
triple
but this is not good enough for mutual exclusivity which is required at the ID IC level. I had displayed this logical division of his IN COLOR CODES on TV but this gets lost on any net medium I have participated in so far.This message has been edited by Brad McFall, 09-27-2004 05:46 PM