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Blue Jay

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Message 5 of 126 (540387)
12-24-2009 3:21 PM

Reply to: Message 1 by hooah212002
12-24-2009 10:10 AM

Hi, Hooah.

hooah212002 writes:

My main question is this: christianity has based an entire cult around ONE man, with one of his main claims to fame being that of a virgin birth, yet, you really don't even know what month he was born in?

I think there is a general understanding among Christians that Jesus wasn't born in December: either way, this really isn't a big revelation.

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Another point to make: I sure hope you don't celebrate Christmas in your home, because otherwise, this would be an extremely hypocritical thread, don't you think?

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Message 12 of 126 (540402)
12-24-2009 5:11 PM

Reply to: Message 6 by hooah212002
12-24-2009 3:33 PM

Christianity and Rocket Science

Hi, Hooah.

hooah212002 writes:

It may not be news to many, but it seems to me like the birth of their alleged messiah is just kind of like "meh, we'll say it was this day who cares".

Ah, I see. In truth, I don't know why exactness in honoring Christ's birthday isn't more important to Christianity. Of course, I don't think exactness has ever been our strong suit (read the handful of threads about the definition of "kinds," as an example), so it doesn't surprise me that we do this inexactly too. After all, Christianity isn't rocket science.

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hooah212002 writes:

I celebrate the tradition, not the birth of christ.

We celebrate the birth of Christ, not the Roman goddess Saturn. What's the difference between you celebrating something on a Christian holiday and a Christian celebrating something on a pagan holiday?

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Let me add another twist: the birthday celebration itself is a pagan tradition, not a biblical/Israelite tradition, so I guess you could say Christmas is a pagan celebration of Jesus.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)

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Message 28 of 126 (540464)
12-25-2009 12:46 PM

Reply to: Message 13 by hooah212002
12-24-2009 5:18 PM

Re: Christianity and Rocket Science

Hi, Hooah.

hooah212002 writes:

Because it is not a christian holiday, technically speaking. Christians adopted the day from other religions BEFORE them. I could just as easily say it's a Persian holiday, right?

You're no more pagan than we are.

How come you get to celebrate pagan holidays?

Edited by Bluejay, : No reason given.

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Message 29 of 126 (540468)
12-25-2009 12:51 PM

Reply to: Message 26 by Iblis
12-25-2009 12:04 AM

Re: Happy Festiva everyone !!! Re: Christianity and Rocket Science

Hi, Iblis.

Iblis writes:

Saturn (Chronos, Father Time) is actually a god. Nor is this his birthday, or day at all.

Oh, I did write "goddess": brain fart.

I didn't say it was his birthday.

A lot of Christmas traditions can be traced back to the Saturnalia festival. That's why I mentioned it.

Lastly, I had never heard of Mithras until now. Thanks for the education.

Merry Christmas and stuff!

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)

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Message 30 of 126 (540470)
12-25-2009 12:59 PM

Reply to: Message 27 by Dawn Bertot
12-25-2009 1:30 AM

Hi, EMA.

EMA writes:

Come on now be honest. arent you really afraid it might be [true] an its YOU that you are trying to convince here

Are you seriously fear-mongering on a Christmas thread, dude? On Christmas Day, even!

Have some class! Seriously!

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EMA writes:

I can say with assurance that if i were on the side of Atheism or agnosticism I would not be wasting precious time arguing with and about something I dont even believe in. Indeed why in the world would it matter.

Warning: the following paragraph contains sarcasm.

We Christians never go around trying to convince people of the folly of atheism or paganism, so I think you're totally justified in telling atheists that they should stop trying to convince people of the folly of Christianity.

Oh, wait...

I guess they'll leave us alone when we leave them alone, eh?

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I hope you have a Merry Christmas, EMA!

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)

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Message 39 of 126 (540565)
12-26-2009 11:05 AM

Reply to: Message 31 by hooah212002
12-25-2009 2:17 PM

Re: Christianity and Rocket Science

Hi, Hooah

hooah212002 writes:

Like I've said before: I celebrate the tradition. Christmas has become nothing more than a time of the year to get together with family and enjoy their company.

Right. You've hijacked a Christian holiday for your own purposes. Then, while hijacking that holiday for your purposes, you criticize Christians because they had previously hijacked it from somebody else for their purposes.

So, is it bad to hijack holidays? Do Christians have to live up to standards that you don't hold yourself to? Or, did you think Christians hold Christmas in the same regard as they hold the Bible?

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)

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Message 47 of 126 (540638)
12-27-2009 12:36 AM

Reply to: Message 43 by Iblis
12-26-2009 8:55 PM

Re: shennanigans?

Hi, Iblis.

Iblis writes:

But somehow I've missed the persecution of secularity. What would that constitute, anyway? No gifts or something?

As a young kid, I once tried to secularize the holiday by not observing the Christmas tradition of getting presents for my siblings. I was thoroughly persecuted by my parents into conforming to the Christmas tradition.

-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)

Darwin loves you.

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