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Message 1 of 2 (540360)
12-24-2009 10:10 AM


I just wanted to remind all of our resident Christians how they are celebrating a pagan holiday, stolen by christianity.
What's that you say? You already knew that? How does that sit with you?
Here is a great site to remind you.
Now, christiananswers.net mentions Matthew 1:18-25 and Luke 2:1-20 as the historical record for jesus' birth, both of which fail to pin it down. The closest we can come to any sort of time frame (that I have been able to find so far) is in Luke 1:26:
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Now in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27to a virgin pledged to be married to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28Having come in, the angel said to her, Rejoice, you highly favored one! The Lord is with you. Blessed are you among women! 29But when she saw him, she was greatly troubled at the saying, and considered what kind of salutation this might be. 30The angel said to her, Don’t be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31Behold, you will conceive in your womb, and bring forth a son, and will call his name ‘Jesus.’ 32He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father, David, 33and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever. There will be no end to his Kingdom. 34Mary said to the angel, How can this be, seeing I am a virgin? 35The angel answered her, The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore also the holy one who is born from you will be called the Son of God. 36Behold, Elizabeth, your relative, also has conceived a son in her old age; and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren. 37For everything spoken by God is possible. 38Mary said, Behold, the handmaid of the Lord; be it to me according to your word. The angel departed from her.
  —Luke 1:26
The aforementioned "sixth month" is the sixth month of Elizabeth's pregnancy. Funnily enough, nowhere does it mention what month she got knocked up.
As we can see from numerous sources, including my first link, that December 25th was chosen, by the catholic church, in an effort to sway pagans to christianity because of there celebration of Saturnalia, or the winter solstice. This celebration is found to be where a majority of our traditions stem from. Christmas trees (a sign of male virility), wreaths (a symbol of female virilty) etc..
My main question is this: christianity has based an entire cult around ONE man, with one of his main claims to fame being that of a virgin birth, yet, you really don't even know what month he was born in?
Also, how does it sit with you that you are celebrating a stolen pagan festivity and attributing it to your lord and saviour?

Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
-Carl Sagan

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