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Author Topic:   How does one distinguish faith from delusion?
Taz
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Message 13 of 279 (519265)
08-12-2009 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Kitsune
08-12-2009 5:55 PM


LindaLou writes:
It sounds as if some people here are applying empiricism to more philosophical realms and IMO the two do not always equate.
Philosophy without empiricism has been tried in the past and has so far turned out to be bullshit. In the past, philosophers at one point were considered authoritative in matters of reality. They produced some of the most bullshitted ideas about reality.
Aristotelian physics, for example, did not at all reflect reality at all. One could simply disprove it by throwing an object and observe the parabolic path that it falls rather than the rectilinear motion bullshit that people believed.
I guess what I'm trying to say in too many words is empiricism applies to everything if you don't want to be delusional. We have plenty of examples from the past where empiricism wasn't used and the result was almost always bullshit.

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Taz
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Message 19 of 279 (519296)
08-13-2009 12:52 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Otto Tellick
08-12-2009 11:08 PM


Otto writes:
The 5 senses do not provide us with any direct sensation of numerous phenomena that have clearly been proven to exist (ultraviolet and infrared light, non-luminous radioactive decay, ... I'm sure the physicists here can enumerate many examples, more coherently than I can).
What the hell are you talking about? Nobody has ever claimed that reality is entirely composed of things that are directly detected by the 5 senses. Don't make things up.
It would be especially interesting to hear from anyone who feels that their experience (direct perception) of a divine presence is recurrent or continuous, as opposed to being an isolated event at some point in the past. The continuity of the "contact" tends to sustain and amplify the direction of judgment by others: the person is seen as "really good" (religious) or "really bad" (delusional).
Are you trying to compare us indirectly detecting radioactive decay and people's supposed divine revelations?
Apples and oranges, you can't compare them. With something like radioactive decay, EVERYBODY who knows how to detect it can agree with each other that it exists. They can even measure them and everyone would agree on the results.
Unless someone can repeat a miracle every time like faith healing the sick on a consistent basis, equating indirect detection of natural phenomena to divine revelations is nothing more than bullshit.
Sorry, I'm just offended to see science being brought down to the level of faith.

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