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Buzsaw
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Message 6 of 352 (478116)
08-12-2008 8:29 AM


Unappreciative Blasphemy Thread
Cavediver, you're the ultimate unappreciative blasphemer who possesses all of the abilities, functions and bodily facilities to do all that the supreme designer, majesty of the universe has equipped you with.
So what do you do with the degree of mentality the wonderfully brain you have is blaspheme and complain that the designer has made you thus.
Perhaps if you suddenly lost all your fingernails or your fingers, you'd begin to appreciate the way you are designed.
Then perhaps if after loosing your fingers you lost your elbows or the cartilage in your elbows you'd begin to appreciate the way you are designed.
Perhaps if you suddenly became colorblind, blurry visioned, or blind you'd begin to appreciate the way you are designed.
Perhaps if you suddenly lost the ability to produce tears or lost your eye lashes and then the eyelids, you'd learn to appreciate the way you are designed.
Perhaps if you suddenly lost all of your toes, then the legs which allow you to crawl, walk, run, jump, climb, etc you'd begin to appreciate the way you are designed.
Perhaps if you suddenly lost the ability of recall in your brain, you'd learn to appreciate the way you are designed.
Perhaps if your body suddenly lost the ability to coagulate blood, you'd begin to appreciate the way you are designed.
These are just a few of the masterfully designed properties of body and mind which I praise, honor, glorify and thank Jehovah, creator, for. Praise God from whom all blessings flow!

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 16 of 352 (478144)
08-12-2008 12:01 PM


Blasphemy
Blasphemers, Thank Jehovah, god, god of mercy and slow to anger that he's not the Muslim god, Allah, as Mohammed depicts him. You'd all get your wonderfully designed heads chopped off by his most devout Jehadists!
Your wonderfully designed soul does not die. It's designed, as the dead kernel of corn to arise again and produce what's been sowed.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 17 of 352 (478145)
08-12-2008 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by cavediver
08-12-2008 12:00 PM


And if I were an Intelligent Designer and could make a living thinking person, I'd make such a good job of it that they would not choose to be ungrateful, recalcitrant and blasphemous
Programmed robots, even, incapable of choice.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 33 of 352 (478203)
08-12-2008 9:59 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by Granny Magda
08-12-2008 1:26 PM


Re: Blasphemy
Granny, if your wonderfully designed kidneys are failing it's not the fault of the kidneys. It's likely something relative (abe: to) your lifestyle and the good ole American diet.
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 35 of 352 (478210)
08-12-2008 10:42 PM


The Biblically Designed Human
The Biblical designer designed the human body and soul to live forever. The Genesis fall lowered the physical phase of that to several hundred years. The post flood atmosphere then lowered that to an average of 70.
The elements and other properties of body and soul never cease to exist. Thus the resurrection of the just and the unjust.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 38 of 352 (478215)
08-12-2008 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by DrJones*
08-12-2008 10:41 PM


Re: Blasphemy
Gee you'd think the alleged "intellegent" designer would be able to design kidneys that would function no matter what lifestlye and/or diet they're subjected too. Just one more example of his/her incompentence I guess.
Mmm, like if your automobile's crank case is filled with kerosene which it was not designed for, you'd blame the incompetent maker for the breakdown. Yah, Jonesy, that makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 40 of 352 (478220)
08-12-2008 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by anglagard
08-12-2008 10:47 PM


Re: The Biblically Designed Human
Anglagard, I said "The Biblical designer......" That's what the record implies as to how mankind was designed. The Biblical designer seems to be implicated here in this thread to some degree.
If you have a problem with my message, there's a forum thread for that purpose.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 72 of 352 (478332)
08-14-2008 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by cavediver
08-12-2008 9:01 AM


Re: Unappreciative Blasphemy Thread
cavediver writes:
If I were the designer, it wouldn't be possible to lose fingernails, nor have those ever so delicate fingers break so damn easily.
Optimal health fingernails do not break easily. To make them unbreakable would be to make them incapable of some of the functions they are useful for. To make them unbreakable would be to make them untrimmable as some of us like them short and some long, depending on our individual desires and uses of them.
cavediver writes:
If I were the designer, you wouldn't have joints with such a pathetic mumber of degrees of freedom. And they certainly wouldn't need to use cartilage.
Universal joints are fine for functions they are designed for, but not for others. How would you like for the suspension system on your automobile to be designed as a universal joint?
I do a lot of carrying loads in my business. Not good if the arm joints were universal tending to go every which way. If I want the load to go sideways, the wonderfully designed agility of the feet and legs do fine and dandy.
How about universal joint leg joints? No thanks. Too unstable.
cavediver writes:
If I were the designer, there would be no such things as blurry vision, colourblindness, nor indeed blindness. And your eyes would see a damn site better than they do now, and would have a much greater range of frequency reception.
Oh. You would disallow your creature the free will to create junk food and do things detrimental to the eyes.
cavediver writes:
If I were the designer, you wouldn't need any of those protection mechanisms we have for our appallingly delicate eyes.
If you were a (abe: wise and knowledgeable creator), you'd have enough wisdom and knowledge to know that for all the eyes are capable of, they must be designed relatively delicate as the masterful engineer must design some things delicately.
I'm ever so thankful and appreciative to God for designing the human eye back in it's protective socket and with all the properties it has. The trillions of blinks it must do; the eyelids; the tears to wash toxins and dust out, etc.
The fact that so relatively few among the billions of earth humans have lost their eyesight due to damage speaks for a devinely intelligent designer.
Why the hell can I not fly??? If I were the designer, you would be soaring with the birds. The designer has taunted us with that one for millenia.
Earth's atmosphere would be cluttered with billions of creatures. Then there would be the need for arms, hands, wings and legs, feet. Too much and a lota poop, hamburger wrappers and other human junk flying as many free choice (abe: critters) have no scrupples.
cavediver writes:
And if I were the designer, you would never have the need for your blood to coagulate. Actually, you wouldn't need blood.
So you wouldn't allow for the pleasure of eating and if there were the eating, you'd have no method of distributing the nutrients to the body. How idiotic, the notion!
cavediver writes:
And these are just a few of the areas where I could do a hell of a lot better. Unless, that is, I was constrained within a physical/evolutionary framework...
Oh yah, sure. A lot of BS; not a term I generally use, but for this nonsense it fit's nicely.
Edited by Buzsaw, : found time to proof read

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 80 of 352 (478354)
08-14-2008 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by cavediver
08-14-2008 12:19 PM


Re: Unappreciative Blasphemy Thread
Did Buz really ask how we'd get our nutrients without eating
Surely you couldn't possibly devise anything more pleasurable than eating all of the delightfully designed foods to stimulate our innovative taste buds, not to mention the luscious aromatic plants and foods to satisfy our intelligently designed smell senses.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 83 of 352 (478358)
08-14-2008 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by cavediver
08-14-2008 2:36 PM


Re: Unappreciative Blasphemy Thread
Cavediver, the reason this thread is a looser for you is that if you were the designer, you'd design, not for the creature perse, but you'd design to suit yourself as supreme majesty of your creation for your purpose and pleasure as owner, designer and operator of the universe.
Some potters are known for their concept of beauty and function. Others are known for their concept. If we here at EvC all had the ability to create and design I'm sure there would ba quite different concepts of design. The designer is the one who determines what's the best design for whatever purpose in creating. I've cited flaws in your ideas from my POV as your concept of design may not be precisely what you see as a designed creature.
No one can deny that there's a whole lot of evidence for the argument of design in the universe and particularly here on planet earth. To say it's all indicative of idiocy is an idiotic allegation on your part. From my POV, this thread is a p. poor demonstration of intelligence on your part, having so little appreciation for the wonders of all that is observed.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 94 of 352 (478396)
08-14-2008 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Coyote
08-14-2008 10:04 PM


Re: Unappreciative Blasphemy Thread
Coyote writes:
When it involves other life forms, that's no excuse for doing shoddy work.
The only people who would describe all of the wonders of what is observed on this planet and in in the cosmos as shoddy or the work of an idiot designer would be people who for one reason or another deny ID or anything supernatural to earthlings; likely people who have an aversion to accountability to a higher power.
The work is clearly not shoddy to rational observers who have no axe to grind. It is how the designer desired for it to be for the purpose and pleasure of the designer.
The creator of an army designs the army to the needs and purposes of the government, not according to the whims and desires of the individuals which make it up. Savvy?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 108 of 352 (478425)
08-15-2008 9:03 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by cavediver
08-15-2008 4:16 AM


Re: Unappreciative Blasphemy Thread
cavediver writes:
And so you are correct - to rational observers, the Universe is exactly as it should be.
I don't see it that way. I see it according to the trend of the LoTs, that order, intelligence, complex design etc does not trend from disorder and randomness.
cavediver writes:
And does this imply that the creator of the army is not an idiot, when we see the attrocious results of his decisions?
Idiot? That depends on what brought about attrocious results, the fault and/or miscalculations of the army or the creator of it.
cavediver writes:
Again Buz, why do we hurt, damage, or even kill ourselves when we fall over, or trip down the stairs?
Because we are not the angel creatures of the cosmos who have the capacity to go through walls. The creator, for whatever reason, being soverign majesty of creation chose to create us on this planet as flesh and blood creatures with the capacity of etermal life.
That the ID creator chose to make us thus does not make him idiotic. I makes you appear naive, insultive or blasphemous regarding the creator who the majority revere and how ID works.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 121 of 352 (478479)
08-15-2008 10:19 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Rahvin
08-15-2008 12:46 PM


The Tailbone Factor
Rahvin writes:
Why would a designer of any sort include a tailbone for an organism that doesn't have a tail, particularly one so small as ours that you can't even see it through the flesh?
I can't speak for the designer, but if it were me relative to this tailbone controversy, I'd call it my signature on the body which is to signify that it's my work.
Then too, there's the backbone spinal cord. It's got to have a designed end to it. For the tailed animals, it's the tail. For others, it's the finial end of the cord. Why end the cord with a segment of vulnerable vertebre? Why not cap it off nicely as the designer has done?
Edited by Buzsaw, : clarify
Edited by Buzsaw, : Punctuation correction

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 123 of 352 (478482)
08-15-2008 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by lyx2no
08-15-2008 11:27 AM


Re: Unappreciative Blasphemy Thread
lyx2no writes:
You're still arguing one side of the dilemma at a time. Those reasons, whatever they were, weren't too nice. You've got to make Him nice at the same time you make Him competent. Capisci?
Nice and competent; extraordinarily so, to his own beloved who conform; incompetent and oppressive to the antagonist rebels.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 124 of 352 (478483)
08-15-2008 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Coyote
08-15-2008 10:34 PM


Re: The Tailbone Factor
Coyote writes:
It makes a lot more sense viewed from the evolutionary standpoint. As does everything else so far.
Not really more sense. It just goes to show that what is observed can be interpreted more than one way.
Edited by Buzsaw, : change message

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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