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Author Topic:   Why is the Intelligent Designer so inept?
Agobot
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Message 78 of 352 (478346)
08-14-2008 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by New Cat's Eye
08-14-2008 11:27 AM


Re: Cavediver or Plato's cavedweller?
Catholic Scientist writes:
My apology for the phenomenon of the designer looking like an idiot is your bolded section. I think that god doesn't want to be proven and wants us to believe in him on faith (although I'm not totally sure why yet). If he had designed us in a way that showed his design, then we wouldn't need to have faith in him anymore. To prevent us from "knowing" that we were designed, he did it in a way that leaves no trace. I can see how this makes him look like an idiot to some.
Why would you call god a deity that has lied to you or used deception on you and your friends/loved ones(throwing out evidence here and there pointing to life coming about on itself, by itself)? Why do we have to respect it instead of giving it the deserved "f*ck you".
For all the evidence we have, god would be not only an idiot, but a sadistic idiot, who kills millions of innocent children in his attempts at disguise.
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Agobot
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Message 90 of 352 (478384)
08-14-2008 6:06 PM


Buzsaw writes:
No one can deny that there's a whole lot of evidence for the argument of design in the universe
I am the contra evidence. With all the cursing and swearing towards god, i should have died a thousand times by now. Nothing in my life has changed for the worst in the last 5 years and i have no reason to complain about my life at all. I just cannot stand being a witness to suffering(whether it's human or animal) and naturally place all the blame on god. Although non-existant, god is good vent for my anger at the injustice, suffering and death of innocent living creatures(human or animals). Amen

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Message 110 of 352 (478431)
08-15-2008 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by onifre
08-14-2008 8:43 PM


Agobot writes:
Although non-existant, god is good vent for my anger at the injustice, suffering and death of innocent living creatures(human or animals).
Onifre writes:
It seems like you are insane
You place all of the blame for human and animal suffering on something that you claim is non-existant?
You're right, thats the perfect way to solve injustice, suffering and death of the innocent...by blaming that which is non-existant!
Were you working in Bush's cabinet when WMD's were blamed for the Iraq invasion?
How bout we don't blame, nor reward, non-existant things, that way we can keep them non-existant and irrelevant?
Hehe, it's just a vent, plus it's cool to see the grins on the faces of the religious . 90% of the population of the US believe in god so maybe you should try that next time when something bad happens that was beyond your control. It takes some courage the first time but then it gets kind of addictive and it's fun .
Edit: If god punishes you, report back so we can take down the EVC forum and bow before the creator(i have a feeling god is heavily preoccupied killing and punishing good and innocent people around the world and doesn't have much time and desire to deal with small, innocent insults on forums.)
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Agobot
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Message 111 of 352 (478433)
08-15-2008 11:01 AM


Agobot writes:
Why would you call god a deity that has lied to you or used deception on you and your friends/loved ones(throwing out evidence here and there pointing to life coming about on itself, by itself)?
Catholic Scientist writes:
The assumption is that god wants us to believe in him through faith rather than know from evidence that he exists.
If that is what he wants, then he would simply be withholding evidence. That's different than lying and deceiving.
How is spreading dinosaur bones and skeletons throughout the Earth considered "withholding evidence"? To me, that's deliberate deception.

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Message 119 of 352 (478465)
08-15-2008 5:46 PM


We are the lucky ones
My pekingese has a lot to say about the Designer. It's 36 deg. C over here and its long fur could kill it within hours(but he's lucky to have me keep him in an air-conditioned room). It takes him 5-6 times longer to quench his thirst because of the way god designed his mouth - he cannot suck the water as we do but instead has to lick the water for several minutes. And he chokes after each drinking, it happenes so often i've come to the point where i consider it 'normal'. My garden hedgehog must be mad at the designer for sex between a male and female hedgehog is a real ordeal(check out youtube for some funny vids). I also have a garden tortoise that is so slow because of the way and weight of its shell, it hurts me to watch how much efforts she puts in going a length of just 10 metres. I guess we are the lucky ones that should not be complaining about terrible design flaws. The animal world would curse and swear all day long, 365 days a year, about the way their bodies were 'designed'.
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Message 127 of 352 (478505)
08-16-2008 9:04 AM


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Message 128 of 352 (478506)
08-16-2008 9:05 AM


Provoking the designer
The title of the thread "Why is the intelligent designer such an idiot?" got me thinking. Could we try to provoke god to show its existence by punishing us? Name calling and insults have been proven to produce no results or simply god is not affected or offended by our insults(I'd gladly participate in a 100 000 participants protest against god with a slogan - "God you are a liar and a murderer!"). If there is a god and he takes notice of our mass rally againts him, wouldn't he try to punish us as he supposedly did to Sodom and Gomorrah in the Old Testament, by sending earthquakes and blazing fires to the cities? Just for reference - all the citizens of Sodom and Gomorrah(save 1 - named Lot) were raping humans and animals indiscriminate of the location - even in churches(according to the bible).
How many of you would be willing to participate in such a protest and could a no reaction by god eventually turn the religious to science?
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Message 130 of 352 (478518)
08-16-2008 3:31 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Buzsaw
08-16-2008 2:50 PM


Re: Provoking the designer
Buzsaw writes:
An already robust host of folks are joining an ongoing protest/rebellion/apostacy already as prophesied for the latter days, including vocal blasphemy and attributing his work of designed creation to natural and random processes. Then there's homosexuality, adultery, fornication, disobedience to parents, evil speaking, murders, thefts, lies, false doctrines, covetousness, love of money, violence etc. These all, like a smoldering volcanoe are leading up to the days of God's wrath, emerging upon the planet as prophesied by OT and NT Biblical prophets.
Then who's gonna stay alive? I don't see anyone righteous enough that could win the graces of god. What does it matter if the wrath of god kills us now instead of dying naturally after 30 or 40 years?
He will murder us ALL anyway, so why bother??

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Message 135 of 352 (478526)
08-16-2008 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by Buzsaw
08-16-2008 6:57 PM


Re: Provoking the designer
Buzsaw writes:
Beginning with the first couple, it was departure from the creator's law which effected deterioration of procreated humans bringing on death, shorter lives and sickness etc.
I love this part about the all loving god taking revenge on us humans. Doesn't that imply that god is a sadistic vindictive and cruel deity for inflicting so much pain on us? If, as you say, god is bringing death, shorter lives and sickness, why on earth does your religion need to have a devil? Isn't that devil's territory? Where is the boundery?

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Message 136 of 352 (478529)
08-16-2008 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by Coyote
08-16-2008 7:09 PM


Re: Your's is not the only designer
Coyote writes:
The Creation of Men and Women
When the world was finished, there were as yet no people, but the Bald Eagle was chief of the animals. He saw that the world was incomplete and decided to make some human beings. So he took some clay and modeled the figure of a man and laid him on the ground. At first he was very small but he grew rapidly until he reached normal size. But as yet he had no life; he was still asleep. Then the Bald Eagle stood and admired his work. "It is impossible," he said, "that he should be left alone; he must have a mate." So he pulled out a feather and laid it beside the sleeping man. Then he left them and went off a short distance, for he knew that a woman was being formed from the feather. But the man was still asleep and did not know what was happening. When the Bald Eagle decided that the woman was about completed, he returned, awoke the man by flapping his wings over him and flew away.
The man opened his eyes and stared at the woman. "What does this mean?" he asked. "I thought I was alone!" Then the Bald Eagle returned and said with a smile, "I see you have a mate! Have you had intercourse with her?" "No," replied he man, for he and the woman knew nothing about each other. Then the Bald Eagle called to Coyote who happened to be going by and said to him, "Do you see that woman? Try her first!" Coyote was quite willing and complied, but immediately afterwards lay down and died. The Bald Eagle went away and left Coyote dead, but presently returned and revived him. "How did it work?" said the Bald Eagle. "Pretty well, but it nearly kills a man!" replied Coyote. "Will you try it again?" said the Bald Eagle. Coyote agreed, and tried again, and this time survived. Then the Bald Eagle turned to the man and said, "She is all right now; you and she are to live together.
For the sake of religions, I hope you have made this story up. The Bald Eagle kind of reminds me of the flying Jesus.

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Message 145 of 352 (478548)
08-17-2008 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by Granny Magda
08-17-2008 12:30 AM


Re: Provoking the designer
granny Magda writes:
These are not the actions of an intelligent, benevolent being. They are the actions of a murderous psychopath. I'm glad I don't believe in such a foul creature.
After the blasphemy of this thread, i'd expect the benevolent designer to take a minute or two off his murdering-our-innocent-children agenda and take down the servers of EVC.

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Message 147 of 352 (478550)
08-17-2008 10:36 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by Buzsaw
08-17-2008 10:16 AM


Re: Provoking the designer
Buzsaw writes:
It's like the blessings of America such as freedom, prosperity, justice etc. We ignore the principles which brought them about and we loose them for us and our descendants.
How would the descendants be held liable for the mistakes of their fathers? Do you hold the current German youth accountable for what their fathers and the Nazis did? You truly have a very pathetic president and administration but when they are gone the world will look at the USA in a different way. With that in mind, how could a dying child with leukemia be the scape-goat of someone that ate a stupid apple 6000 years ago?
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Message 173 of 352 (485057)
10-04-2008 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by cavediver
08-11-2008 7:19 AM


More realism
cavediver writes:
Why should us bipeds have to put up with a skeletel structure that designed for walking on all fours? Did God force us into second-hand body-plans post-fall, just so that we could enjoy the delights of back-pain?
Maybe it's for added realism in a world that's supposed to be made completely by chance and so that humans would believe in this theory. I don't think if god made himself known to us, we'd all be happy about it. Wouldn't we want to have our own separate lives independent of God? Would we have the desire to live the life of someone else(God/Creator) with no air of human free will?
I know i am making god a lier, but i don't subscribe to the biblical(or any religious) god, so in my eyes the Intelligent Agent seems to be a good lier.
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Message 178 of 352 (486231)
10-17-2008 8:02 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by cavediver
08-11-2008 7:19 AM


cavediver writes:
He's either an idiot, or for a deity, remarkably hard-up when it comes to paying for design plans.
For the sake of clairty, you forgot to include that he's an idiot for creating so many young earth creationists.

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